LL-L: "Pronouns" LOWLANDS-L, 26.JUN.2001 (02) [E]

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From: "Mathieu. van Woerkom" <Mathieu.vanWoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Subject: pronouns

Richard Dury wrote:

>The subject of personal pronouns is a bit like the Rhine/Meuse delta:
>complicated, interconnected and constantly shifting!

2nd-person pronouns in Limburgisch:
     (sing)     (pl)  (polite)
nom.  doe/dich  geer    geer
obj.  dich      uch     uch

and:

>2) There are some languages with no familiar vs polite pronoun of address:
>(i) Icelandic, (ii) Irish Gaelic, (iii) Low Saxon - these are all isolated,
>non-metropolitan, close-knit communities.

About the low-saxon dialect of Urk I can say that this is indeed true. There
is
no polite 2nd-person, just 'jie' or 'je'. Urk is also a very isolated, non
metropolitan and close-knit community. The village used to be on an island
(but
is now part of the Flevoland polder), and is very religious (and therefore
very
close-knit).

Groet,
Mathieu van Woerkom

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From: Stan Levinson <stlev99 at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L: "Pronouns" LOWLANDS-L, 26.JUN.2001 (01) [D/E]

Quick sociolinguistic note re Flemish mothers using
"u" with their children:  It is not uncommon in
Spanish to hear parents address their children by the
polite form "usted", with a variable of possible
motivations, including teaching the form, or perhaps
creating distance to indicate anger, ondere andere...
Stan

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