LL-L "Resources" 2001.10.19 (01) [E/Z]

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From: "Liebaart" <liebaart at tiscalinet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2001.10.18 (02) [E]

> Aksjuh Commithee Tur Bevording Va 't WestVlams v3.0
> http://members.tripod.com/~westvlams/
> (several pages in West-Flemish)

These are to be considered as fun-pages.  Not as serious resouces.
Interesting as a side note though.

> (West Flemish resources are listed under "Zeelandic.")

I beg your pardon???  Under Zeelandic???  The opposite is more true!

Joris De Sutter

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Resources

Above, Joris responded to what I wrote:

>> (West Flemish resources are listed under "Zeelandic.")
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> I beg your pardon???  Under Zeelandic???  The opposite is more true!

This was based on the information initially given by Marco Evenhuis and others
when we began to include "Zeelandic" (_Zeêuws [West-Vlaoms]_).  At least that
is how I understood it.

Going by Marco's note
(http://www.geocities.com/sassisch/rhahn/lowlands/llzeeuws.htm), I wonder if
we ought not call this group of varieties "Zeelandic & West Flemish" (_Zeêuws
en Westvlams_?) or "West Flemish & Zeelandic" (_Westvlams en Zeêuws_?), unless
we present them separately, in which case I would need help with sorting and
separating respective resources.  In that case we would also need a volunteer
who translates the welcoming page into West Flemish.

Marco wrote:
"Onder Zeêuws verstae me daebie aolle dialecten die a gesproke ore in de
Nederlandse pervincie Zeêland (b'aolve de Oôst-Vlaomse dialecten van 't Land
van 'Ulst en somste grensdurpen in Zeêuws-Vlaenderen), en op de Zuud-'Ollandse
eilanden Goereê-Overflakkee en (vo een stikje) Voorne-Putten."
"Zeêuws oor butendien gesproke in Zeêuwse 'kolonies' in Brazilië en in plekken
as 't stadje Zeeland in Michigan. Zeêuwse creooltaelen bin d'r oôk:
Neger'ollands (US Virgin Islands, uutgesturve), Skepi Dutch en Berbice Dutch
(aollebei in Guyana en aollebei naebie uutgesturve)."
"'t West-Vlaoms is stikke nauw verwant an 't Zeêuws en ei daerom oôk onzen
andacht. 't West-Vlaoms oor grofweg gesproke in de Belse pervincie
West-Vlaenderen en in 't westelijk deêl van 't département Nord (59) in
Frankriek."

Although I have no problem understanding Afrikaans, Dutch, Zeelandic and West
Flemish, I am not a specialist in the area of Low Franconian and rely on
guidance and help with presenting Low Franconian information and resources on
Lowlands-L.  If there is disunity among our subscribers in this regard, I
suggest they try to reach some sort of (compromise?) solution among them and
tell me how to present the respective language varieties.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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