LL-L "Etymology" 2002.08.24 (01) [E]

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From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.08.22 (11) [E]

> From: "Luc Hellinckx" <luc.hellinckx at pandora.be>
> Subject: Vocabulary
>
> Beste leeglanners,
>
> Today, I heard this fascinating report on the radio that announced the
> unearthing of the prehistoric remains (thought to be 30 000 years old)
> of a hyena in a Limburgish grave.
>
> That's why I started wondering which words are used in our dialects, to
> describe the wailing sound that dogs (and coyotes, wolves and hyena's)
> often make (at night).
>
> In my local dialect (Brabantish), we use the word "kjoemmern" (<
> frequentative form of "cumen", a Middle Dutch verb meaning "to
> moan"...cognate of German "kaum", "barely" (E)).
>
> What about you ?
>
> Greetings,
>
> Luc Hellinckx
>
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>
> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Lexicon
>
> Luc,
>
> I believe in Lowlands Saxon (Low German) and German the usual verb is
> _jaulen_ (LS ['(d)ja.Ul=n], G. ['jaUl at n]).
>
> I can only think of LS _kuum_, cognate of G. _kaum_, same meaning.
>
> Hyenas in Limburg, huh?  I *knew* it!  ;)
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Hi. Luc, Ron,

what about (UGerman) "Kummer (haben)" (I don't know a Low Saxon word of
the
same "type")? Sometimes, as You know, dogs indeed like to wail when they
feel some loneliness. I dare to guess it could be cognate of
(Brabantish)
"kjoemmern".

Regards

Fiete.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Thanks, Fiete.  And the verb _kümmern_ 'to care'.  However, apparently
these are derived from Latin _cumbrus_ 'obstacle', more precisely from
Gallo-Latin _comboros_ 'debris (as an obstacle)'.

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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