LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.12.03 (04) [E]

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From: E Sproston <eds at nordictrans.plus.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.12.03 (02) [E]

> From: Peter <peter.smith100 at ntlworld.com>
> Subject: Old English language
> My
> informant told me that the numbers shouted out sounded like Yan, Tan,
> Yinneger, Finniger.
>
> Is there anyone out there that could tell me what language this could be?

Hi Peter,

I heard somewhere that this a relic of the Celtic spoken by local
inhabitants well into medieval times. I.e. because of their isolated
existence as hill farmers, Brythonic Celtic continued there despite being an
linguistic island surrounded by English (and Norse).

See: http://www.yewgrove.demon.co.uk/spirits/faery.htm

"Much later on in the time of the Norman conquest it was recorded in the
Doomsday Book that many Derbyshire land owners were Welsh speaking."

Regards,

Edward

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From: E Sproston <eds at nordictrans.plus.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.12.03 (02) [E]

> From: E Sproston [mailto:eds at nordictrans.plus.com]
> Sent: 03 December 2002 16:25
> To: Discussion list for Germanic Lowlands languages and cultures
> Subject: RE: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.12.03 (02) [E]
>
> > From: Peter <peter.smith100 at ntlworld.com>
> > Subject: Old English language
> > My
> > informant told me that the numbers shouted out sounded like Yan, Tan,
> > Yinneger, Finniger.
> >
> > Is there anyone out there that could tell me what language this
> could be?

PS - there is an exact discussion on the theme here:

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba48/ba48lets.html

"Sheep counting"

Edward

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From: E Sproston <eds at nordictrans.plus.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2002.12.03 (02) [E]

And here:

http://www.lakelanddialectsociety.org/sheep.htm

Edward

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From: Glenn Simpson <westwylam at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Old English Language

Peter,

Saw your thing about the counting system in N Yorks. I
know that up to the early 20th C shepards in Cumbria
used to use an old British counting system - similar
to Welsh. In many northern English Counties this
system or variation of it was used up to a hundred
years ago. It's a shame that this has virtually died
out because it is one of the few examples where
British / Welsh language had survived in England -
apart from Cornwall of course!

Best wishes,

Glenn Simpson
Northumbrian Language Society

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