LL-L "Etymology" 2002.01.18 (02) [E]

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From: "John M. Tait" <jmtait at altavista.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.01.17 (03) [E]

I wrote:

Further East, it is 'peul' [pjul]

I meant

Further West, it is 'peul' [pjul]

Ron wrote:

>It's great to hear from you again!

Thanks.
>
>Do you think there may be a connection between Northeastern Scots _peul_
>[pjul] 'seagull' (even though you suspected it to be onomatopoetic), English
>_(northern) fulmar_ (_Fulmarus glacialis_) and Scottish Gaelic _faoileann_
>(and Irish _faoileag_)?

I haven't got a clue - and that goes for all the following points, too! _Peul_
refers to the herring gull, not the fulmar (which is rather rare in these
parts,
though common in Shetland) but I suppose that would be explicable.

Scots (including Shetlandic) of course, has _foul_ [ful], which, though
cognate
with Eng. _fowl_, traditionally means a bird in general, rather than the more
specialised meaning which it has in English. So e.g. the Shetland proverb:

Far-fled fools haes fair fedders.

John M. Tait.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

===start quote===
faoileag , faoileann
     a sea-gull, Irish _faoileán_, Old Irish _faoilenn_, Welsh _gwylan_,
Breton _gwelan_, whence French _goëland_ and English _gull_. For root, Stokes
compares English _wail_.
===end quote===
(http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/MB2/mb17.html)

===start quote===
Gull \Gull\, n. [Of Celtic origin; cf. Corn. _gullan_, W. _gwylan_.]
===end quote===
(Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, 1913)

===start quote===
gull n [ME, of Celt origin; akin to W _gwylan_ gull] (15c)
===end quote===
http://cdf.utoronto.ca/cdf/names/ea203/gull.html)

By the way, Faoileann is also an Irish name for females, e.g., that of the
famous St. Faoileann, the daughter of Irish Eoghan (or Owen), son of Eocha
Breac. Gwylan is a Welsh name for males and also occurs as a surname (last
name).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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