LL-L "Etymology" 2002.05.18 (04) [A/D/E]

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From: niels winther [niels.winther at dfdsseaways.com]
Subject: etymology

Elsie, Ron, Frans, Marco, Holger et al.

One of the entries under _koekeloeren_ given by
Van Dale Groot woordenboek der Nederlandse taal:
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1599 'een leven als een slak in zijn huisje leiden',
want het is een afleiding van kokeloer, kokerol (slak),

     werkeloos thuis of in afzondering zitten.
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This is exactly the meaning as it is used in
Danish _kukkelure_ and Swedish _kukelura_ :
sitting at home doing nothing, not getting out.

Regionally _kukkelur_ is also used for 'cockle' in Norwegian.

Probably it was borrowed from Dutch or Low Saxon at a time
when the snail-metaphor was still evident.

niels.

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From: niels winther [niels.winther at dfdsseaways.com]
Subject: etymology

Re: _kokeloeren_

in West-Jutish we have _kukkeluris_ , it is used about
a coward who retreats to shelter whenever danger appears.

niels

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Thanks for the info (above), Niels.  It sounds like my choice of Low
Saxon (Low German) _Kunkelurer_ for '(list) lurker' wasn't so bad.

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
>
> Dag, Elsie!
>
> In Laagsassies kan 'n mens _kukeluren_ of _kunkeluren_ voor
> 'skelmpies kyk' = 'koekeloer' ('to look secretly', 'to spy').  (LS _u_ =
> Afrikaans _oe_)  Ek het daarvan _Kunkelurer_ (~ _Kukelurer_) voor
> _lurker_ gemaak.  Ek glo die volgende Laagsassiese woorde is aan dit
> verwant:
>
> kunkeln 'iets geheim doen', 'geheime verhaal' ('to do things
> secretely/quietly', 'to tell (other people's) secrets')
> Kunkel  'vrou wat graag haar bure beloer en klets' ('neighbor woman that
> spies and gossips')

Verskoon my, liewe Afrikaners!  "Voor" in plaas van "vir" is waarskynlig
een van die simptome van "jouself te dun smeer" (< "spreading oneself
too thinly") en "andere mense se tale slag" (< "to butcher other folks'
languages").  ;)  Of is dit 'n geval van "op te veel bruilofte dans"
("to dance at too many weddings")?

Is dit op Lowlands-L toelaatbaar andere Laaglanders se tale te bruik (en
te "slag")?

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron

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