LL-L "Grammar" 2002.05.31 (03) [E]

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From: erek gass <egass at caribline.com>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2002.05.30 (04) [E]

"Do" me this, or "do" me that, or "do" me [whatever] has become a fairly
common English expression, perhaps echoing or paralleling the Eastern
Nederlandish usage alluded to here.

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From: "Jan Strunk" <strunk at linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>
Subject: LL-L "Grammar" 2002.05.31 (01) [E]

Dear Lowlanders,

> >Keyn Varshe FORN FORN zey, nor keyn Vilne FORN (FORN) zey nit.
> >("To Warsaw TRAVEL TRAVEL they, but to Vilnius TRAVEL (TRAVEL) they
> >not.")
> >They do intend to travel to *Warsaw*, just not to *Vilnius*.
> >
> Yes, I'm familiar with the convention of repeating the main verb as in
> your examples. It's quite common in Yiddish, though I don't think it
> occurs in other Germanic languages.

Well, we don't use it very often and only jokingly, but
it's not uncommon to say things like
"Wollen will er schon, aber dürfen darf er nich!" in the Ruhr Area.
I don't know whether this is also used in other parts of Germany or
even in Low Saxon!?

Kumpelmente,

Jan Strunk
strunk at linguistics.ruhr-uni-bochum.de

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Grammar

Some of what Marco Evenhuis wrote about the use of 'to do' in Zeelandic
(Zeêuws) also works in Low Saxon (~ Low German -- Below,
Netherlands-style spelling in { }, _sch_ [S] ~ [sx] ~ [sk], oe [U] (as
in 'put'), ôê [u:] (as in 'pool')):

> Je moe de beuter in de kelder doee
> (you should put the butter in the cellar)

Ji möött (sg. Du muttst) de Botter (~ Bodder) in d'n Keller doon.
{Jie meutt (sg. Dôê moettst) dei botter (~ bodder) in d'n keller dôên.}

> Wat doet 't weer?
> (What's the wheather like?)

Wat deit (~ maakt) 't Wedder (~ Weer)?
{Wat daait (~ maokt) 't wedder (~ weer)?}

> Aoltied doende weze
> (to be busy all the time)

alltied an 't Doon (~ Schirrwarken) wesen
{aaltied aan 't dooun (~ schirwaarken) weezn}

> A: Op maendag doee me aoltied wasse
> B: Doen-je?*
> (A: On monday, we always do the laundry)
> (B: Do you?)

A: Maandaags doot wi alltied waschen.
B: Doot ji dat?
{A: Maondaogs doout wie aaltied waschn.}
{B: Doout jie dat?}

> Ik doee zò gaern schrieve
> (I like writing)

Ik do so geern schrieven.
{Ik doou zoou geeirn schrievn.}

> Me doee zò leêp spele, meuge me nie nog een stuitje buten bluve?
> (We enjoy playing so much, can't we stay outside for a while?)

Wi doot so schöön spelen; dröfft (~ dörft ~ köönt) wi nich noch 'n
(lütt) Beten (~ 'n (lütt(j)en) Stoot ~ Stöötje) buten blieven?
{Wie doout zoou schuuin (~ schooin) speeln; dröft (~ deurft ~ keunt) wie
nich noch 'n beetn (~ 'n (lut(je)n) stoout ~ stuuitje) bôêtn blievn?}

> Doe mae wì zò praote; je ei licht lulle at n nie neffen je stae
> (Do talk that way again; it's easy to say these things when he's not
> standing next to you)

Do man wieder so snacken (~ praten)! Du kannst licht(fardig) sludern (~
schanderen), wenn 'n nich neven (~ neffen) di steiht.
{Doou maan wieder zoou snakn (~ praotn)! Dôê kaanst licht(faardig)
slôêdern (~ schaandeirn), wen 'n nich neevn (~ nefn) die staait.}

> Doe jie mae vuulte kappe, dan ruum ik 't wè op
> (If you weed the garden, I'll clean up)

Doot ji man weden (~ Unkruud pulen)! Denn rüüm (~ klaar) ik wedder (~
weer) up (~ op).
{Doout jie maan weedn (~ oenkrôêd pôêln)! Den ruum (~ klaor) ik wedder
(~ weer) oep (~ op).}

> People who 'overuse' 'do' in this way, therefore
> sound
> a bit childish to other speakers of Zeeuws sometimes.

I think it's similar in Low Saxon, certainly in Missingsch (German on
Low Saxon substrate), where overuse of (_doon_ >) _tun_ in an already
low-prestige variety tends to be perceived as "extra
childish/ignorant/illiterate."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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