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From: George M Gibault gmg at direct.ca
Subject: LL-L "Idiomatica" 2002.10.13 (07) [E/S]

Hi!

Sandy asks about some dogs including the dug o Dod's Haa. This is a border
hold and implies that the owners were double dealing in border affairs.
Some Grahams and some Halls had this reputation - "The three fause Ha's O'
Girsenfield they'll never be trusted nor trowed again" (from the Death of
Parcy Reed) while the Grahams of the Bateable (Debatable) lands once wrote
to the King in Edinborough threatening to turn English if they didn't get
better treatment. The Douglases once conspired with the MacDonalds of the
Isles to split Scotland between them (but the MacDonalds were defeated at
Harlaw - The Kerrs of Cessford and the Kerrs of Ferniehurst feuded with one
another - and an old border ballad bewails the Kings betrayal of the border
outlaw Johnnie Armstrong. The Dods were mainly English but had a Scottish
branch in Roxboroughshire.

gang ye weel                    George

>From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
>Subject: "Idiomatica"
>
> > From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Idiomatica
> >
> > I provided the Lowlands Saxon (Low German) expression:
> >
> > > - up (d)'n Hund kamen
> > >   ("to come/get onto a/the dog")
> > >   'to go bankrupt (due to mismanagement)'
>
>A peculiar thing about dog proverbs in Scots is that they
>tend to refer to a particular dog. Here's some from Hislop's
>Proverbs of Scotland:
>
>"Nae equal tae ye but oor dug Sorkie, an he's deid, sae ye're marrowless."
>
>"Ye're buttoned up the back like Achmahoy's dug."
>
>"Ye're like the dug o Dodhaa, baith dooble an twa-faced."
>
>"Ye're like the dugs o Dunraggit-ye winna bark unless ye hae yer hinder end
>tae the waa."
>
>Hislop doesn't explain any of these names - can anyone enlighten us?
>
>My mother had a favourite saying about "Birkie's dug", but I can't remember
>it. Anybody?
>
>Some of my favourite general dog proverbs:
>
>"An auld dug bites siccar."
>("An old dog bites securely.")
>
>"Fecht dug, fecht bear; wha wins, deil care."
>("Dogs and bears may fight but no-one cares about the outcome")
>
>"He can lee like a dug lickin a dish."
>("He can tell lies like a dog licking a dish.")
>
>"He fells twa dugs wi ae bane."
>"He fells twa dugs wi ae stane."
>("Killing two birds with one stone" - or "bone", in the diplomatic version)
>
>"Him that sleeps wi dugs maun ryce wi flechs."
>("He who sleeps with dogs must rise with fleas.")
>
>"If I haed a dug as daft, I wad shoot him."
>(I've often heard this one!)
>
>"I'm no every man's dug that whistles on me."
>("I don't answer to everyone")
>
>"Like the smith's dug, sleep at the soond o the hammer, an
>wauk at the crunchin o teeth."
>("Like the blacksmith's dog, sleep at the sound of the hammer,
>and awaken at the crunching of teeth.")
>
>Sandy
>http://scotstext.org/

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