LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.10 (10) [E/LS]

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Sorry. This went out under the wrong heading "Grammar." RFH
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From: "oostendse verhalen" <verhalen at oostendseverhalen.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.10 (01) [E]

the word padda sounds like "peddel",
perhaps ik could be a "peddelboot", a boat you have to row ?

Danny drooghenbroodt
Oostende

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From: "Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann" <Friedrich-Wilhelm.Neumann at epost.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.10 (09) [E]

Moin, Elsie, Leeglanners,

You wrote:
>
> From: "elsie zinsser" <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
> Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2002.09.10 (07) [E]
>
> Haai Laaglanders,
>
> Marco, in Afrikaans we make no distinction between frogs and toads.
>
> Yes, Ron, one can imagine, as wheels were originally square, so were
> paddles originally poles until primitive man realized
> the advantage of displacing more water with a flat object.
>
> I'm wondering if there is not some correlation between the root _pad_ in
> E. paddle and
> Burm. padouk (timber), i.e. in terms of wood + movement? See also the
> Ind-Ndl. form padika (a dance).
>
> Regards,
> Elsie Zinsser

In Noorddütschland (ne blaut in L.S., mann- ick lööv, door is dat heer)
snackt wii von 'n "Paddel" (adj. "paddelich") as 'n Minschen, dee sick
ne recht tau bewegen un' tau benehmen weit (E: "someone unable to move
and
behave with some elegance"), U.G.: [substant.] "Tropf", "unbeholfener
Mensch", [adj.] "ungelenk", "hölzern" [now- have a look to Your
"timber"!]).

Tau "Fööt" (E: "feet", U.G: "Füsse") waard ook "Paddel" seggt.

Best Greutens

Fiete.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

German _Paddel_ ('paddle') and _paddeln_ ('to paddle') are said to be
English loans.  English "paddle" (dial. _pattle_) is said to be known
since the 15th century and to be possibly be of "Low Dutch" origin
(because of _paddelen_ instead of standard _peddelen_, I suppose).
According to the Oxford Dictionary, it may be of Dutch origin, and then
Lowlands Saxon _paddeln_ ['padl=n] 'tramp about' is given for
comparison.  (The Oxford people tend to favor theories involving Dutch
rather than LS origin of English words.)

In Modern Lowlands Saxon (Low German), _padden_ ['padn=] (root /pad-/)
means 'to step' or 'to wade'.  _Paddeln_ (perhaps originally 'to tread
water') certainly looks like the frequentive (/-l-/) derivation of it,
namely "to step/wade making lots of repetitive movements".

Some assume that LS _pedden_ ~ _petten_ ~ _perren_ 'to step', 'to kick'
is related to the above.  I am not so sure about this.  It is related to
the noun _Pedd_ 'step', 'rung', 'pedestal'.  _Padden_ and _paddeln_ may
well be related to (_pað_ >) _Padd_ [pat] 'path', 'way' (plural _Padden_
['padn=]); thus, _padden_ originally "to make one's way" (?).

I consider it possible that English "pedlar" is derived from
*_pedde(l(e))n_.  It's origin is said to unknown -- Middle English
_pedder_ ~ _pedlere_ 'pedlar', i.e., someone who walks from town to town
and from house to house in pursuit of sales.

Compare also Latin _pedis_ 'foot' and its many derivations.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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