LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.04 (04) [E]

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From: Pat Reynolds <pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2003.04.04 (01) [E]

Dear All,

As a scholar (allegedly) at the University of York, daughter of a
Yorkshireman, I can confirm that owt and nowt are still used.

Down south (vague stretch from Northants to Surrey!) 'summing' and
'nuffing' are much more used in similar contexts.

Pat
(oh - her - she knows nowt abat owt).
--
Pat Reynolds
pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk
   "It might look a bit messy now, but just you come back in 500 years time"
   (T. Pratchett)

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi. Pat!  So good to hear from you again!

Folks, here's yet another question from me:

In Lowlands Saxon (Low German) we use the term _Schuermann_ ~ _Schuurmann_
(sometimes _Schüermann_ or _Schüürmann_) for what in Standard German tends
to be called, somewhat generically, _Hafenarbeiter_ ("port worker").  In
Hamburg dialect (Missingsch and Missingsch-based German), and no doubt also
in many other LS dialects, we say _Schauermann_, which I assume is a LS loan
(analogous to LS _Schuer_ ~ _Schuur_ = G _Schauer_ '(rain) shower') .  My
very own etymological theory so far had been that it has something to do
with _Schuer_ ~ _Schuur_ ~ _Schüer_ ~ _Schüür_ 'barn', that perhaps in the
olden days this word had something to do with the storehouses for ships'
freight, though nowadays _Schuer_ ~ _Schuur_ ~ _Schüer_ ~ _Schüür_, like its
German equivalents _Scheune_ and _Scheuer_ and English "barn," only occurs
within rural contexts.

Now I have started to wonder if _Schuermann_ ~ _Schuurmann_ is
etymologically connected with English "longshoreman," which *is* its correct
English gloss, that perhaps the English term had been imported, abbreviated,
into the LS language varieties of port cities (and many such words were
imported, especially nautical ones).  I am pretty sure that, if loaning is
involved, it went the said way rather than the other way around, because the
etymology of English "longshoreman" is pretty clear: "longshore" < "along
shore" + "man," i.e., a man who works along the shore.

Of course, English "shore" does have a LS cognate: _Schaar(t)_ ~ _Schor(t)_
'coast', 'coastal land', 'cliff', 'bluff' (cf. e.g., Swedish _skär_ '(rocky)
islet', 'skerry', 'rock', related to words for 'to slice', 'to cut'?).

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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