LL-L "Etymology" 2003.08.05 (03) [E]

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From: Friedrich-Wilhelm Neumann <Fieteding at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2003.08.04 (02) [E]

Moin, moin, Andrys,

You wrote:


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> From: Andrys Onsman <Andrys.Onsman at CeLTS.monash.edu.au>
> Subject: Resources
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> Is the Moin Moin a single instance or does nedersassich have more such
> repetitions?

and Ron:

>I can only think of _Jaja!_ and _Neenee!_, repititions of _ja_ 'yes' and
>_nee_ 'no'.

Could the *Moin Moin* be a derivation of (LS): "Moi'n Monnen", (E): "Good
morning"?
As far as I know it spread over to many Low-Saxon-areas (and also is used in
Upper German there)from the regions of North- and Eastern Frisia, just a few
10 or 15 years ago.

Greutens/regards

Fiete.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Fiete,

While I think you are quite right about the geographic origin and spread of
_Moin (moin)_, I seriously doubt that Lowlands Saxon (Low German) _Morgen_
'morning', which has the known dialectal variants _Mor(r)n_ and _Moorn_ (and
Missingsch _Morng_), developed into _Moin_.
My theory is that "_Morgen_ > _Moin_" is a folk etymology developed in
regions to which the greeting _Moin!_ had spread but in which the
adjective/adverb _moi_ (~ _mooi_) 'nice(ly)', 'pleasant(ly)', etc., is not a
part of the native lexicon.  As far as I am aware, nobody would ever say
things like *_Dat is al Moin_ instead of _Dat is al Morgen_ 'It's morning
already.'

I am pretty sure that _Moin_ came from _('n) moien (Dag/Morgen/Avend)!_
'([Have] a) pleasant (day/morging/evening)', and that the doubling is a
northwestern (probably East Frisian or Emsland) feature.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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