LL-L "Literary usage" 2003.02.14 (09) [E/LS/V]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: Bach

(E below)
V:
Beste Lowlandmoat'n van ol over de weireld,

Verled'n weke zaote'k een letje uut te rust'n en waore'k an't
luustervink'n naor  oesne nationaole  radiozender. Der was juste een
skoôn liedje an de gang van Bach. En 'k peisde kik bie min eig'n
zichzelvers dat ter dao entwat niet en klopte. Olles wuk da'k van Bach
tot nu toe g'hoôrd ei zijn oltid Hoôg-Duutse versies. 't Dochte mie
pertank dat diene Bach toch skreef vo minsen die in't Lowlands bezig
waor'n.
Is ter dao iemand van  juldre die kan verklapp'n ao't er geên echt
originele stiksjes bestaon van Bach in't Neder-Duuts?'t Zou mie stif
verblien om ne keê Bach 't hoôr'n lik of dat ie hem dat zelve zoe
gewild ein. Zou t er nievers een cd'tje bestaon me'  zuk ne muziek up?
't Waore 't hoôr'n weird.

Tot ton
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

E:
Last week, when I was  having a litle nap, I was listening to one of
our radiostations. They played a beautifull song written by Bach. All
of a sudden I realised that someting was not correct. Every time I
hear songs  of Bach they are in High-German. And I always thaught that
Bach wrote  his songs in Plat-Deutch! Is there any one  on the list who
knows if one can find  recorded music of Bach in his native
tongue?Every piece of art should be appreciated in his original version.

Luc

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Literary usage

[English below]



Beste Luc,



So wied ik daar wat vun afwäten do, harr Johann Sebastian Bach offitschell
niks mit de neddersassische (nedderdüütsche, plattdüütsche) Spraak to doon
hat.  He is 1685 in Eisenach boorn un daar upwussen bit he 15 Jahr old was.
Eisenach is in Thüringen, in d’n Süden vun Düütschland.  Ja, in ’t Jahr 1700
is he as Chorsänger un later as Organist vun de franzöössche Musikschool na
Löönborg trocken, in ’t vundagigendaagsche Neddersassen, nich wied af vun
Hamborg.  He harr ook Kontakten mit d’n hamborger Organist Johan Adam
Reinken, de schients Hollandsch as Moderspraak harr, un vun em lehr he dat
Orgelspälen un –kumpeneren up nedderlandsche un ingelsche Aard.  He bleev’
man bloots so üm un bi twee Jahren in Löönborg.  He trock trügg na
Thüringen, in de Stadt Arnstadt.  Vun daar güng he (200 Mielen to Foot!) na
Lübeck in d’n Noorden, an de Oostsee, wiel dat he wat vun d’n
noorddüütsch-däänschen Kumpenist Diedrich Buxtehude aflehren wull.  Later
trock he wedder na trügg na Süden, na Thüringen un Sassen.  Das Land Sassen
hett niks mit de (nedder-) sassische Spraak to do, hett bloots düütsche
Dialekten un kreeg den Naam „Sachsen“ man bloots vun ’n Hertog, de uut ’t
wahre Sassenland (in d’n Noorden) keem.  To Bach sien Tied keken de „feinen“
Lüüd’ de neddersassische Spraak al minnachtig an, un in de „feine“ Musik
harr se keen Platz, ook nich mang de noorddüütschen Kumpenisten, so as
Buxtehude un Telemann.

Kiek: http://odur.let.rug.nl/Linguistics/diversen/bach/map.html



Grötens,

Reinhard/Ron



Dear Luc.



As far as I know, Johann Sebastian Bach had officially nothing to do with
Lowlands Saxon (Low German).  He was born in 1685 in Eisenach and grew up
there till age 15.  Eisenach is in Thuringia, in Southern Germany.  True –
in 1700 he moved to Lunenburg (Lüneburg) as a choir singer and later as
organist of the French music school, and Lunenburg is in the area of today’s
Lower Saxony, not far south of Hamburg.  He also had contacts with the
organist Johan Adam Reinken in Hamburg, who appears to have been a native
Dutch speaker, and he studied Dutch and English organ playing and composing
with him.  He stayed in Lunenburg for only about two years.  He moved back
to Thuringia, to the city of Arnstadt.  From there he walked (200 miles!)
north to Lübeck on the Baltic Sea, because he wanted to study the music of
the North-German-Danish composer Diedrich Buxtehude.  Later he moved back
south, to Thuringia and Saxony.  The state of Saxony has nothing to do with
the (Low) Saxon language, has only German dialects and got the name
 “Sachsen” because of a duke from the actual Saxon land in the north.  In
the days of Bach, upper-class people already scorned the Lowlands Saxon
language, and there was no place for it in “good” music, not in that of
northern composers like Buxtehude and Telemann either.

See: http://odur.let.rug.nl/Linguistics/diversen/bach/map.html



Regards,

Reinhard/Ron


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