LL-L "Expressions" 2003.01.01 (04) [E]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Expressions" 2002.12.30 (03) [E/S]

> But surely Colin -"come away ben" - is only used when inviting someone
> into
> your house - at least that is how we would use it in Edinburgh. I
> don't know
> of a more general Scots equivalent for welcome when used in the
> situation of
> greeting people to an occasion - A'll hae tae awae an think on yon!!
>
> Chris Ferguson

> By the way, this _ben_ 'inside' in the said Scots expression sounds
> quite
> familiar to speakers of Lowlands Saxon (Low German).  LS for 'inside'
> is
> _binnen_ [bIn(:)].  We could say something like _Kaam (man) na
> binnen!_ (or
> _Kaam (man) rin!_) to ask someone to enter.  Movement calls for _na_
> 'to(ward)', while _binnen_ alone denotes location (e.g., _He is
> binnen_ 'He
> is inside').
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Dear Colin, Chris  and Ron,

I did read the a lot of your interesting subjects about Scots. The
sentence "come away ben" did slip out of my memory. With the last
answer of Ron i immediately recognised some familiarity with V:
First of all, come (V Kom) and ben (V Binn') are pronounced in just the
same way. Only the spelling differs. For "away" we have also  a
possible similar word. I remembered first the permutation g/y:
weeg= a wall of planks or wicker-work. We have "binnenweegen" and
"buitenweegen"in a house
So we can say that "Come away ben" in V could sound like "Kom de weeg
binn"  (litt.  Come in within the walls.)
There is also a proverb that says:
-Alleêne zitt'n, lijk de schouwe tegen de weeg (E to sit alone like the
mantelpiece against the wall)= to sit in a room against a wall where
normaly nobody sits because you sit all on your one or because this
place is not suitable.

Greetings
Luc Vanbrabant
Oekene

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