LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.06.01 (02) [E]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.05.31 (03) [E]

Beste liëglanners,

Even though the influence of Welsh and Cornish refugees in Armorica from
the 5th century AD onward has been very significant, it should be noted
as well that before that time on the continent other Celtic languages
like Gaulish had been spoken in Armorica for centuries and centuries.
Even during Roman occupation and up till the 5th century AD. If you'd
like to find out more about this, you could have a look at:

http://www.bzh.com/keltia/galleg/langage/breton/vx-clt.htm
and
http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a8700035/BRETON1.HTML

The latter has this for example..."Wieviel gallisches Substrat im
Bretonischen aber erhalten ist, dürfte schon allein aufgrund der nahen
Verwandtschaft zwischen frühbrittonischem und gallischem Keltisch nicht
einfach zu ermitteln sein."

Greetings,

Luc Hellinckx

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections" 2003.05.31 (03) [E]

> From: GaidhealdeAlba at aol.com
> Subject: LL-L "Songs" 2003.05.30 (01) [E]
...
> Eventually, the French established control and have been eating away at
> the Breton language ever since.
>
> Uilleam Stiùbhart
>
Hi Uilleam,
Indeed there are a lot of languages that (almost) have disappeared in
France. I call it one of the big "etnocides" of an over-centralised
government. Just take a quick look at all the regions. What is left
from the languages of...
Bretagne - Normandie - Picardie - Flandre - Alsace - Savoie - Côte
d'Azure - Languedoc - Les Pyrénées, and even la Bourgogne ...

groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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From: Niels Winther <niels.winther at lycos.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Celtic connections"

--- Uilleam Stiùbhart wrote:
                                          > ........ However, when the
Germanic Angles,
                                          > Saxons, and Jutes invaded
what is now England,
                                          > the Britons (Celts of
Brittonic stock) were
                                          > either killed in 'ethnic
cleansing' or fled to
                                          > one of four places - Wales,
Cornwall, Lowland
                                          > Scotland, or Brittany. So
many fled from
                                          > Britain to Armorica, what
Brittany was called,
                                          > that the original language
was supplanted and
                                          > Armorica's name changed to
Brittany - little
                                          > Britain. In one of the four
major dialects of
                                          > Breton, some Gaulish
influences remain. The
                                          > Bretons are the descendants
of refugees, not
                                          > invaders.
                                          > ...

 A recent genetic survey of Y chromosomes shows that there never was
 any population replacement and
therefore no rationale behind 'ethnic cleansing' theories.
The early 'invasions' discussed here left only insignificant traces.
The later invasions left some imprint, but only of local significance in
the
York area and on Orkney.

 Cheers
 Niels

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