LL-L "Resources" 2003.05.13 (17) [E]

Tue May 13 22:42:12 UTC 2003

This one got away too soon. Here's the full version. RFH
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From: GaidhealdeAlba at aol.com
Subject: LL-L "Resources" 2003.05.13 (02) [S]

I assume, Colin, that you mean with "back tae normal agane" that
Scotland's independent again (at last!). That'll be the
day. I trust the BBC- it's the best news source I have. But I think that
they're a little bit poisoned with English
superiorism. I think it would be quite lucrative for them if they
started a Scots-speaking service. They could start small,
and if the audience is there, they could go for it. What say you all?
Would the Scots go for it?

Uilleam Stiùbhart

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From: Sandy Fleming [sandy at scotstext.org]
Subject: "Resources"

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Resources
>
> > Uilleam, A fou gree.  Bit woud ye nae jalouse this thocht an hou tae
> > jouk this responsibeelity hae come up the humph o the BBC fowk?  The
> > speir is: "Are the Scots speakers protestin it?"
>
> Translation:
> "Uilleam, I totally agree.  But wouldn't you suppose this thought and
> how to shirk this responsibility haven't crossed the minds of the people
> at the BBC?  The question is: Are Scots speakers demanding it?"

On second thoughts, it's rather good Scots - I was thrown by
the colourful phrase "come up the humph o", but I see what you
mean now! I'll have to try using that one myself!

Some minor corrections:

"woud" should be "wad"

"A fou gree" - seems to be a literal translation of the
English "I fully agree" - I would suggest "I fair agrees"
(note the inflection on the verb because it's not in
direct contact with its personal pronoun).

"jalouse" - is another thing that doesn't make sense to
me in this context - juist say "think"? Or "dout", if
you don't want to repeat the verb "to think".

"hae" - should be "haes" - again, the verb isn't in contact
with its personal pronoun - in a complex sentence like this
the poor grammar gives me some difficulty in understanding.

"the speir is" - I don't think you can use "spier" to
mean "question" - how about, "the heid o the maiter is"?

"protestin" - very good! - I really wonder what your
sources for this sort of Scots are!  :)

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Resources

Thanks for the help, Sandy!

> "jalouse" - is another thing that doesn't make sense to
> me in this context - juist say "think"? Or "dout", if
> you don't want to repeat the verb "to think".

When to use _jalouse_, _think_ or _dout_ is still not sorted out in my
head.  Isn't _jalouse_ more like 'surmise' or 'suspect' perhaps?  Are
_think_ and _dout_ mostly interchangeable?  Wasn't there some negativity
requirement with _dout_?  (I guess this topic ought to be taken into the
realm of "Idiomatica".)

> "protestin" - very good! - I really wonder what your
> sources for this sort of Scots are!  :)

I try to do a fair bit of Scots reading, sometimes just examples listed
in dictionaries, and I'm a sponge for "colorful" expressions.

As for dictionaries, I mainly use the following:

Chambers The Concise Scots Dictionary
Paperback
Publisher: Books Britain; (March 1987)
ASIN: 0550118608

Concise Scots Dictionary (Scottish National Dictionary Association)
860 pages (1 August, 1999)
Polygon at Edinburgh; ISBN: 1902930010

A Dictionary of Scots Words & Phrases in Current Use
by James A. C. Stevenson
Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.89 x 8.47 x 5.52
Publisher: Hippocrene Books; (November 1998)
ISBN: 078180664X

Scots-English/English-Scots Dictionary
by David Ross (Editor), Gavin D. Smith (Editor)
Paperback: 256 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.68 x 6.01 x 4.07
Publisher: Hippocrene Books; (September 1999)
ISBN: 0781807794

Scots Dictionary (Collins Gems)
by Collins Celtic
Paperback: 272 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.75 x 4.75 x 3.25
Publisher: Collins Celtic; (November 1998)
ISBN: 000470486X

Concise English-Scots Dictionary
by Scottish National Dictionary Association (Editor)
Paperback: 320 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.81 x 7.94 x 5.10
Publisher: Polygon; (December 15, 2001)
ISBN: 1902930045

There is also, albeit not yet in my possession, the following:

Scots Thesaurus
by Iseabail Macleod (Editor), Pauline Cairns (Editor), Caroline Macafee
(Editor), Ruth Martin (Editor), Scottish National Dictionary Association
Paperback: 536 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 1.05 x 9.14 x 6.22
Publisher: Polygon; (December 15, 2001)
ISBN: 1902930037

Talking about Scots resources, this may have been mentioned before, but
I just became aware of an enticing work:

Ulster-Scots: A Grammar of the Traditional Written and Spoken Language
Philip S. Robinson
Paperback - 230 pages (October 1997)
Ullans P.; ISBN: 0953035018

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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