LL-L "Names" 2003.11.09 (04) [Ap/E]

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A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
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From: John Patrick von Suskil <pvon1332 at hotmail.com>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2003.11.07 (03) [E]

I wuld luv ta see that thair list o urs

Yours,
Patrick

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From: sam claire <samclaire at mybluelight.com>
Subject: LL-L names/sobriquets

Helo gang: This back and forth on names reminded me about a list of over 200
names I've compiled.  They go back to the Middle English times til now.
They are negative and positive, masculine and feminine, and of the young and
old.  Some of them are from Yiddish, which seem to be most expressive.  Sam

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Names

Well, Sam, so where *is* that list?  Are you going to share or just tell us
and make us drool?  ;-)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Names

I think it would be nice if we compiled, as a concerted effort, a small
comparative list of traditional Lowlandic "first" (given) names.  Comparing
names from language variety to language variety is (1) fairly interesting
regarding sound shifts and abbreviation tendencies, and (2) "our public"
likes things of this sort.  Who knows?  Perhaps it will cause some parents
to give their new offspring Scots, Zeelandic, Limburgish, Lowlands Saxon
(Low German), Appalachian and other variants of names.  If we did this, we
ought to include "marginal" or contact varieties (e.g., German, Jutish,
Danish, Walloon, French, Cornish, Welsh, Manx, Gaelic and Irish) for
comparison as well as to give clues about contacts and borrowing.

Giving children dialect variants (as opposed to power language varieties) as
legal names is a growing trend, in my opinion a nice one that ought to be
encouraged.  An example is "Kathrin" in Northern Germany, as opposed to
German "Katharina," "Catharina" etc.  In the olden days that was not even
allowed.  Someone who was called "Kathrin" by everyone had to have a German
variant as her legal name, and someone who was called "Hannes" had to have
the German variant "Johannes" as his legal name.  (Germany does not permit
total freedom of choice in naming a child, requires parents to choose from a
list of officially permissible names or otherwise furnish official proof
that a name is commonly accepted in another country -- though all this is
now much easier than it was in the past.)

In a list of that sort, we'd have to make an effort to identify as many
spelling variants as possible.  For instance, today I finally realized that
the name of an Australian friend of mine is really the same of that of Wir
Sandy (Fleming, "Alexander" > Scots "Sandy," pronounced "Sawny," if I
remember correctly): Sonny, and I know another Australian named Sawny.
Sawny may be of (part) Scottish descent, while Sonny is Hong-Kong-born,
Australian-raised and "dinky-die" Cantonese with an "Australian mouth."

What do folks think about this list idea?

Tata!
Reinhard/Ron

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