LL-L "Language varieties" 2003.11.29 [E]

[Lowlands-L]

======================================================================
L O W L A N D S - L * 29.November.2003 * ISSN 189-5582 * LCSN 96-4226
http://www.lowlands-l.net * sassisch at yahoo.com
Rules & Guidelines: http://www.lowlands-l.net/rules.htm
Posting Address: lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org
Server Manual: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/1.8c/userindex.html
Archives: http://listserv.linguistlist.org/archives/lowlands-l.html
=======================================================================
You have received this because you have been subscribed upon request.
To unsubscribe, please send the command "signoff lowlands-l" as message
text from the same account to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or
sign off at http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
=======================================================================
A=Afrikaans Ap=Appalachian B=Brabantish D=Dutch E=English F=Frisian
L=Limburgish LS=Lowlands Saxon (Low German) N=Northumbrian
S=Scots Sh=Shetlandic V=(West)Flemish Z=Zeelandic (Zeêuws)
=======================================================================

From: Jannie Lawn <jannie.lawn at ntlworld.com>
Subject: Language varieties


Hai Ron
Found this on the BBC internet site.  In view of the recent discussions about
language survival, I thought you might find it interesting, although I am aware that
it isn't a Lowlands language. I haven't done this before, so I don't know if I have
to copy and paste the page or just send this message and the article will go
automatically.  We'll see.
Groeten, Jannie

** Canary island whistles again **
A means of communication using whistling is being revived after nearly vanishing
from the one island on which it is used.
< http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/world/europe/3241128.stm >

-----------------

From: "sam claire" <samclaire at mybluelight.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Lowlanders: Don't know so much about the Dutch language except that I can read some
of it as I compare it with the German and Yiddish I know. However, I'm aware of how
Dutch had influenced American English in the New York and Philadelphia areas.  At
one time my New York accent, now long wiped away, originated from the Dutch settlers
speaking English.  Very interesting. . .Sam

-----------------

Fra "R. F. Hahn" <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Til Mathieu van Woerkom <mathieu.vanwoerkom at student.kun.nl>
Emne Language varieties (submission from Canada)
Vedhæftet   (Kilde)

Marco Evenhuis wrote:

> They got you, Ron! I suggest you read the article again
> (http://taalschrift.org/reportage/000303.html). The language sample is from
> a notebook by Walter Hill is actually written by Lawrence van Loon and is
> fake:
> "Als Van Marle ontdekt dat het Notebook aan het museum geschonken is door
> Lawrence G. van Loon, weet de taalkundige genoeg. Dezelfde Van Loon, een
> arts met belangstelling voor lokale geschiedenis, is eerder al door een
> historicus ontmaskerd als vervalser van de zogenaamde Dela Croix Letter en
> van een historisch contract met indianen op hertenhuid. Ook zijn publicaties over
> het Hudson Valley Dutch Dialect, zoals een boek uitgegeven bij Martinus Nijhoff in
> 1938 en een artikel in Onze Taaltuin in 1939, zijn handig geschreven, maar
> uiteindelijk ongeloofwaardig. "Het is grotendeels duimzuigerij", aldus Van Marle.
> "Van Loon speelde handig in op sentimenten van Amerikanen, die elk tastbaar bewijs
> van hun eigen geschiedenis koesteren."

Oops!  This was a "great" example of reading stuff on the fly and being
taken for a ride.

> Nevertheless, Jersey Dutch is mostly written on the basis of English
> spelling since about 1900, because Jersey Dutch lost its written tradition
> somewhere in the 19th century. As with all varieties of Dutch overseas,
> there is a significant Zeelandic influence.

Are you saying the variety is still alive?!  Indeed, perhaps ...

> But upto this day there are said to be (white) descendants of the first
> Dutch colonists in upstate New York, who still can speak (a bit of) Jersey
> Dutch or Low Dutch as you like. A lot of people sent me e-mails stating that
> they knew people who spoke colonial Dutch as late as the 1970s and 1980s. I
> suspect that their children at least know some general household words or
> phrases.

Well, it would be nice if someone would ascertain if there are really any
holdovers and how sizeable they are.  A couple of language samples would
be nice, too.

Best regards, currently from rained-out Victoria, British Columbia, Canada,
Reinhard/Ron

P.S.: Thanks to Mathieu van Woerkom for taking care of business in my absence.

=====
Reinhard "Ron" F. Hahn
Seattle, USA
==========
I do not open unexpected or unexplained attachments.
Bilagen, vun de ik niks weten do, de maak ik nich apen.
Ich öffne keine unerwarteten oder unerklärten Beilagen.

================================END===================================
* Please submit postings to lowlands-l at listserv.linguistlist.org.
* Postings will be displayed unedited in digest form.
* Please display only the relevant parts of quotes in your replies.
* Commands for automated functions (including "signoff lowlands-l") are
  to be sent to listserv at listserv.linguistlist.org or at
  http://linguistlist.org/subscribing/sub-lowlands-l.html.
======================================================================