LL-L "Etymology" 2003.09.16 (07) [E/LS]

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From: Gary Taylor <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi all

quick question to get you thinking. I was looking
through an etymological dictionary today – yes I
really am that interesting – and was going through
the words beginning with ‘p’ in English. Very few
of these words actually date back to a common Germanic
word, of the few that do most are early borrowings
from Latin. This is not surprising as Germanic ‘p’
developed from Indo-European ‘b’, of which many
are of the opinion that it didn’t actually exist –
thus forming a gap in the phoneme system.

One thing surprised me though – there seems to be an
awful lot of ‘p-‘ words in English which date from
Middle Dutch and Middle Low German borrowings.
‘Poll’, ‘pad’, ‘peck’, ‘pink’ and ‘pickle’ to name but a few.
Also a fair few date back to a ‘common’ West Germanic
of unknown origin – ‘path’ and ‘play’ for example. So if
‘p’ isn’t a natural Germanic letter, where did
this lowlands ‘p’ develop from? Were they all
‘invented’ words in the middle ages based upon
borrowed ‘p’ from Latin – or were there some
other influences at play?

Gary

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From: Gary Taylor <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Moin, Reynhard, Lowlanners,

Twei Wöör kunn 'ck ne in miin Noobern siin Wöörbauk finnen (stell Dii
eirst inns vöör- door he' wi rinkeeken, ofschoonst hei dat Diert ook ne
liiden kann !!!):

"töllern", schall meenen (UG/Öestriik'sch): "ratschen", "tratschen",
(E): "to gossip[???]", (Ostpreußisch): "plachandern[?]".
Schall woll uut'n Hambörger Rabeeid koomen; hett miin Grautmodder uut
Stood (door is de Sprook"scheeid" tau uns Munnoort) mennigmool bruukt.
Kann woll ook von Holland'sch Oorsprong ween, von weeigen dat Aule Land
mit jemme Hollandsch'e Seedlers.

"taarn", schall meenen (UG): "einladen", (E): "to invite [somebody]".

Kann door jichenseein watt tau seggen?

Greutens

Fiete.

(Friedrich W. Neumann)
Not Lucifer I fear
but those almighty Gods

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Etymology

Fiete, dey daar wöyrd' kin ik tou vör nich.  Ik schal tou huus' maal
na-stöyvern, weetst ja, wouneem.

Vör "töllern" wöyrd' ik wul "traatschen," "sludern," "na-snakken" or "sik
dat muul terryten" seggen ... sachs ook annere saken, man daar kan ik my
upstünds nich up besinnen.

Vör "taren" ("taarn") wöyrd' ik "beden" or "nöydigen" seggen.

Gröytens,
Reinhard/Ron

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