LL-L "How do you say ...?" 2004.08.17 (01) [E/LS]

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From: Kevin Caldwell <kcaldwell31 at comcast.net>
Subject: LL-L "How do you say ...?" 2004.08.16 (09) [E]

> Also, this sentence gets misquoted about 95% of the time, both in English
> and German. JFK never claimed that HE felt like he was from Berlin; he
> just
> said something among the lines of: "some day you people will be able to
> say
> again, with pride: ich bin ein Berliner." Since he said the last bit in
> German, that's the only part most Germans understood.
>
> Gabriele Kahn

Here are the exact quotes:

(from early in the speech)

"Two thousand years ago, two thousand years ago, the proudest boast was
"civis Romanus sum." Today, in the world of freedom, the proudest boast is
"Ich bin ein Berliner."" [NOTE: he then thanked his translator]

(and at the end of the speech)

"All free men, wherever they may live, are citizens of Berlin. And,
therefore, as a free man, I take pride in the words "Ich bin ein Berliner.""

Kevin Caldwell (kcaldwell31 at comcast.net)

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From: Utz H. Woltmann <uwoltmann at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L "How do you say ...?" 2004.08.16 (07) [E]

>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: How do you say ...?
>
>John (above):
>
>>My interest is in how the "born and bred" idea is
>>expressed in Lowland languages.
>
>Here's my Lowlands Saxon (Low German, North Saxon dialect) bit:
>
>_bourn un tagen_ (<boorn un tagen>)
>
>_Tagen_ ['tQ:gN] is the past participial form of _te(g)en_ ['te:GN] ~
[te:n]
>'to pull', 'to drag', also _up-tegen_ (<uptegen>) 'to pull up', 'to raise
(a
>child)' (past part. _up-tagen_ <uptagen>).
>
>So, ...
>
>(1) Ik bün in Hamborg bourn un tagen.
>(2) Bourn un tagen bün ik in Hamborg. (implying that I live somewhere else
>now)
>(3) Ik bün 'n bourn(en) un tagenen Hamborger.
>
>For obvious reasons I tend to avoid using the English equivalent of the
>third version.
>
>You can also say _bourn un up-wussen_ (<boorn un upwussen>).  _Up-wussen_
>(lit. "up-grown") is the past participial form of _up-wassen_ (<upwassen>).
>So this uses "to grow up" instead of "to be raised."
>
>_Bourn un tagen_ is a real idiomatic expression like English "born and
>raised."  I feel that _bourn un up-wussen_ is not.
>
>Regards,
>Reinhard/Ron
>
Dear John, Dear Ron,

may I add the expression from Bremen: "tagen un baren". A real  native
of Bremen is called a "Tagenbaren".

Best regards
Utz H. Woltmann

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: How do you say ...?

'n groten dank, Utz!  Ik har dat tou vör nich weten.

I'll write about _te(g)en_ under "Semantics."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron
'n bournen un tagenen Hamborger, or "Hamborger buttje"

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