LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.20 (07) [E]

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From: Patrick or Cynthia Karl <pkarl at grasshoppernet.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.17 (14) [E]

>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Semantics
>
>>te(gen) = English tug, perhaps? Much gentler than "pull".
>
>It's the cognate of German _ziehen_, Yiddish ציען _cien_, Gothic _tiuhan_,
>and Old English _tēon_.  I don't think there is a Modern English cognate,
>but I'm not at all sure.
>
I think there is an isolated cognate:  wanton.  Both parts of this word
are interesting

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.08.19 (08) [E]

Dear Patrick or Cynthia Karl

Subject: Etymology

> Some more in English:  apron, orange, nickname

Without wishing to tread on toes, isn't this last, 'nickname', the reverse
of the phenomenon you describe, from 'an eke name'?
Yrs,
Mark

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Patrick mentions English "wanton" above.  Good one!  It's derived from
Middle English _wantowen_, i.e., from _towen_, the past participal form of _
"to tee" (Old English _téon_), and the negative prefix _wan-_ (like _un-_,
cf. Lowlands Saxon _wanschapen_ "un-shaped" = 'ugly', 'unsightly').  So
_wanton_ is the literal equivalent of German _ungezogen_ 'naughty', 'badly
behaved' < "badly raised."

Mark, also above):

> Without wishing to tread on toes, isn't this last, 'nickname', the reverse
> of the phenomenon you describe, from 'an eke name'?

According to the etymological dictionaries I consulted, you are right, Mark,
and they say that this has been reinforced by "nick."

I wonder, though ...  I had always assumed that the first part of "nickname"
is related to German _necken_ 'to tease', 'to taunt'.  I must have been
wrong.

The Lowlands Saxon (Low German) equivalent of "nickname" is _öykel-naam_
(<Ökelnaam>).  This might support this "eke-name" ("add-name," "byname")
theory.  As far as I know, in the modern dialects there is no verb
*_öykeln_.  It looks like a frequentive (/-l-/) derivation of *_öyk-_, which
I assume is related to English "to eke."

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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