LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.12.09 (01) [E/F/LS]

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From: Helge Tietz <helgetietz at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.12.08 (09) [E/F]


Leeve Nederland-Friesen,

Ik kun mi eegentli ni voerstellen dat een vun de Nordfrieschen dialekte een
"keel-r" haett, de Nordfrieschen dialekte de ik hoert heff harrn all een
"tong-r" so as oeverall in Sleswig-Holsteen un ok in Soenderjylland. Dat
aennert sik ers as man wieter rin naa Daenmark foert, "Rigsdansk" haett een
keel-r un ok Skaansk, deele vun Smaaland in Sweden un ok Kristiansand,
Stavanger un ik gloeff ok Bergen in Norwegen haett een keel-r man de rest
vun Norwegen un Sweden (inkl. Oslo un Stockholm) haett een tong-r so as
Frysk un Rendsborger Sassisch. Een keel-r haett dat ok in een regio in
Northumberland in Engeland geven, naemli in de oemgevung vun Rothbury, ik
heff dat nuems soelvens hoert liggers ik 6 jaar in Newcastle waant hebb. Ik
weet ni of dat no oeverleeft haett, moet wi vlich mal een vun ons engelschen
fruennen fraagen. Min Fruendin eern Vader is ut Tytsjerksterdiel in Fryslan,
eer moder ut Portugaal bi Rotterdam, opwussen is se deels in Eindhoven ,
deels in New Zealand, se soelvens haett een keel-r as se Nederlandsch snack
un as ik eer probeer een tong-r bi-tobroengen kreeg se dat ni trech, is dat
vlich een "unconscious" stigma vun "buuernspraak" de dar aster steit?

Groeten vun

Helge

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.12.08 (09) [E/F]

>>>>>Henno wrote that in regular (Westlauwers) Frisian 'throat-r' i.e.
uvular r is seldom, and it's considered a speech-defect, although without
being a real stigma.
In the province of Friesland, next to Frisian and City-Frisian
(Dutch-Frisian mixed dialect) the Low Saxon Stellingwarfs is spoken. I just
read that in Stellingwarfs almost everyone has trilled r, except for a few
Roman Catholic families who do have uvular r. Friesland - as all Northern
provinces of the Netherlands- are largely Protestant, Catholics are just a
small religious minority.
So it has to do with ones religious background here too, what kind of r is
used...

*Ingmar

> Henno B:
> Yn it gewoane Frysk komt in keel-r mar selden foar, yn beskate
> femyljes, en it wurdt sjoen as in ôfwiking, mar it stigma is net sa
> hele greot.

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From: Yevgeny Ustinovich <yevgeny at cac.edu>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.12.08 (09) [E/F]

Dear all,
my name is Yevgeny and to the best of my knowledge, I am (unfortunately) the
only linguist in  Ukraine who studies Afrikaans. I would appreciate ALL
kinds of  help/information.
Here is something I am trying to find out. The double negative in Afrikaans
(...nie...nie) -- could it come from the Middle Dutch or are there some
Netherlands dialects that have this feature (or had it back in 1700s)?
Thanks!

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From: R. F. Hahn <lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net>
Subject: Language varieties

Yevgeny (above):

> my name is Yevgeny and to the best of my knowledge, I am (unfortunately)
> the only linguist in  Ukraine who studies Afrikaans. I would appreciate
ALL
> kinds of  help/information.

Welcome to Lowlands-L, Yevgeny!  It's great to meet you.  You're not the
only Lowlander from Ukraine (Hi to them during these exciting times!).
Congratulations on studying Afrikaans!  I'm pretty sure your new friends on
the List will be able to help you along.

Elsie, Liza, Mark en almal, mag ek julle julle nue protegé voorstel?

Groete,
Reinhard "Ron" F. Hahn
Founder & Administrator, Lowlands-L
lowlands-l at lowlands-l.net
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