LL-L "Delectables" 2004.12.10 (09) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Delectables" 2004.12.10 (02) [A/E]

>>>>> Taai-Taai means - I mentioned it before under Holidays - a kind of
soft gingerbread, human figures are made of it at Sinterklaas.
I don't know its etymology, _taai_ means tough, and taai-taai is a bit tough
indeed.
But the reduplication may point to Malay (Indonesian) or from one of the
Creoles from the Dutch Westindies, like SrananTongo (Suriname)
or Papiamento (ABC-Islands = Aruba,Bonaire Curaçao = Leeward Dutch
Antilles), or even Afrikaans...

Pepernoten aren't wrapped in the Netherlands neither, but still they're
thrown around everywhere by Zwarte Piets.
Kids just pick 'em up from the floor or even from dirty streets, where the
Schimmel - Sinterklaas white horse - just came by...
Probably it's good for their physical resistance because few children get
sick during the Sinterklaas weeks!

*Ingmar

>Reginald wrote:
>
> Ingmar (above):
> taai-taai    [ta:i"ta:i]
>
> What's that, and what's it etymology?
>
> > _pepernoten_ ("pepper nuts")-hard, small gingerbread cubes
>
> In Germany, _Pfeffernüsse_ (Lowlands Saxon _peper-noet(en)_
> ["pE:p6%n9:t(=n)], thus also literally "pepper nuts") are round, made from
a
> type of gingebread and glazed, usually white.  They tend not to be
wrapped,
> so you wouldn't throw them around.  You can buy them in North American
> "Continental" stores at this time of the year.

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Holidays" 2004.12.10 (05) [E]

>>>>> Thanks Roger, but I wasn't offended at all!
Maybe you could tell us a little more about special traditonal Sinterklaas
food in Flanders
-if there is any? Ingmar

> Roger wrote:

> Hi Ingmar,
>
> No offence meant, and no harm done, I hope. It was only said in jest.

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From: Henry Pijffers <henry.pijffers at saxnot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Delectables" 2004.12.10 (02) [A/E]

Ingmar schreev:
>
> all eaten only or mainly at Sinterklaas in The Netherlands.
 >
Except for the banketstaaf/letters, those are eaten around Christmas too.

> The traditional drink is chocolademelk / chocomel = hot chocolate.
>
Ja, warme chocolademelk met slagroom :) (hot chocolate with whipped cream)

> I know you think enough was said about this, Henry
 >
I don't think that. My remark was intended to mean that a lot of things
are being said about Sinterklaas, that I doubt contain any truth.

> In Germany, _Pfeffernüsse_ (Lowlands Saxon _peper-noet(en)_
> ["pE:p6%n9:t(=n)], thus also literally "pepper nuts") are round, made from
a
> type of gingebread and glazed, usually white.  They tend not to be
wrapped,
> so you wouldn't throw them around.  You can buy them in North American
> "Continental" stores at this time of the year.
>
They're never glazed in the Netherlands. And they're not always thrown
around, only sometimes, for show, or when the floor is clean enough.

Henry

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