LL-L "Syntax" 2004.02.07 (01) [E]

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From: Steven Hanson <hanayatori at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Syntax

Interestingly, Yiddish (a German derivative) has simplified this by applying
זיך zix_ (<x> = <ch>/<kh>) to all persons:

ix vaš zix.  (I wash myself.)
du wašt zix.  (Thou washest thyself.)
er/zi/es/men wašt zix.  (He/She/It/one washes him-/her-/it-/oneself.)
mir wašn zix.  (We wash ourself.)
ir wašt zix.  (You wash yourselves.)
zey wašn zix.  (They wash themselves.)

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

It's my understanding that the Yiddish generalization of the "zich" form to
all persons is the result of Slavic influence.  I also find it interesting
that the Danish (and Swedish and Norwegian as well) uses "sig" as it's 3rd
person reflexive pronoun, and also distinguishes reflexive and non-reflexive
possession in the 3rd person.  "Sin/sit/sine" would be used for "his/her/its
own" as opposed to "hans/hendes/dens/dets" for "his/her/its".

P.S.  This is my first post, but I've been "lurking" for a few months.
Interesting stuff..:-)

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Syntax

Welcome, Steven!  And thanks for the posting.

Intereresting stuff indeed.

> It's my understanding that the Yiddish generalization of the "zich" form
> to all persons is the result of Slavic influence.

Which makes a lot of sense on various levels.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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