LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.11 (05) [E]

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (07) [D/E]

> om: Hugo Zweep <hugo.zweep at valuersillawarra.com.au>
> Subject: LL-L "Help needed" 2004.03.04 (04) [E]
>
> How about "wishy washy" meaning feeble or poor in constitution and
> described
> in the OED?
>
> Hugo Zweep

Hi Hugo,
I think it has to do with the Flemish word "weerse/werse" pronounced
like [wIs@] Sometimes it is written "wisse": Een siroopachtig
afkooksel, het suikersap dat men uit het mout kookt als men het bier
brouwt, ook bierwerse of moutwerse genaamd (E: a sugary syrup, a
decoction that comes from the malt when one brews beer)
Wisse/wesse = afkooksel van graan of zaad (E: decoction of grain or
seed)
This is something different than viezevaze!

> Incidentally, this (either from LS or "Dutch") appears to be the
> origin of
> English "snack," originally '(to) bite', '(to) gasp' > '(to) chatter'.
Flemish:
ne snak= a litle something to eat
snakken= een haastige beweging maken om iets te grijpen.
E: a hasty movement to grap something
snakken= snauwen
E: to snarl, to snap at, to gasp for...
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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From: burgdal32admin <burgdal32 at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2004.03.04 (08) [E]

> _Vrøvl_ must be related to (derived from?) LS _vrevel_ ~ _vrövel_ ~
> _vrewel_
> ~ _vröwel_ 'heinous deed', 'crime', 'evil-doing', 'wantonness',
> 'sin(fulness)' (cf. German _Frevel_, Dutch _vrevel_?)

Dutch: wrevel( the w is pronounced like a v)
> .  I feel it's a very
> old-fashioned, biblical-sounding word.
>
> I wonder if _vås_ is related to (i.e. the /-l-/ iterative verb form of)
> Lowlands Saxon (Low German) _vaseln_ (<faseln>) 'to tarry' > 'to talk
> idly',
> 'to drivel' etc. (also German _faseln_).  I guess there must have been
> a
> noun *_vaas_ (*<Faas>) at one time, but I can't think of one being used
> nowadays.
Flemish:
fezelen (to talk very silently so that nobody can hear the secret)
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron
Groetjes
luc vanbrabant
oekene

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