LL-L "Syntax" 2004.03.28 (04) [E]

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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2004.03.28 (02) [E]

> From: beckivan <beckivan at btopenworld.com>
> Subject: (Diachronic) Syntax
> For old english the ordinary personal pronouns are used as the reflexive.
> The famous examples from Visser being:
> judas aheng hine
> (either Judas hanged himself or judas hanged him)

In my Lonerlands (West-Limburgish) from Vliermaal:
"Judas het hem opgehange"
could mean both.

In case of ambiguity of context one can also say:
- "Judas het zen eige opgehange" (zen eige = his own)
for the reflexive form.

For the non reflexive form, approaches could be:
- "Judas het hem doa opgehange" (him there)
but clearly the listener should know where "there" points to.
In the worst case of ambiguity I guess one would use the name of the person
hanged.

I guess it is curious that, while both Dutch and German use a form of
"self", we don't use it in our West-Limburgish though.

Regards,

Roger

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From: beckivan <beckivan at btopenworld.com>
Subject: Syntax

Dear Lowlanders,

More questions I'm afraid:

I know that Dutch has stressed and unstressed object pronouns (strong and
weak if you prefer) as in `mij' and `me' with the latter also functioning as
the reflexive.

Is there a similar stressed/unstressed system in other Lowland languages and
if so when can they be used (spoken only? written only? etc..)?

Any help would be much appreciated,

Beck Sinar

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