LL-L "Names" 2004.05.05 (08) [E/Irish]

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From: Gavin Falconer <Gavin.Falconer at gmx.net>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2004.05.05 (06) [E]

Dan said:

"Dear Gavin and others,

All the Celtic languages use the words "Saxon" (in its respective forms)
for "English" whether they are talking about actual Saxons or whether
they are referring Angles or any other Ingvaeonic tribe that settled in
Britain around the turn of the 6th century.

It is a bit like the persistent myth that "Welsh" meant "foreigner" in
Old English. It is true that the word did have this original meaning,
but it had acquired the meaning 'Celt' or 'romanised Celt' long before
the North Sea Germanic tribes departed for Britain. This is the reason
why the Romance languages adjacent to certain German dialects are still
referred to (dialectally) as 'Welsch'."

I hope I didn't give the impression that "Sassunach" was used to mean
'foreigner'.  Its pejorative use by Scottish Gaels against Lowlanders was
absolutely to do with the fact that they were culturally and linguistically
very like the English.  This use is attested by the DSL under "Sassenach".
However, like Dan, I would be very surprised whether Scottish Gaels used it
to mean anything other than "English person" in the modern period.

Maidir leis na teangacha Ceilteacha, tá a fhios agam ós rud é go bhfuil
Gaeilge agam.

--
All the best,

Gavin

"Tharfor wordly happe es ay in dout
Whilles dam fortune turnes hir whele about."

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