LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.05.18 (11) [E]

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From: Roger Hondshoven <roger.hondshoven at pandora.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.05.16 (02) [E]


Hi Heiko,

I read your remarks about the pronunciation of Dutch  initial g. I'm afraid
I can't concur with your view concerning the realisation of the anlaut-g in
Flemish. It is true that the Dutch in northern parts usually pronounce g- as
a voiceless guttural  (rather scrapy) fricative sound. In southern parts
(below the so-called "Grote rivieren") and certainly in Flemish initial g is
a voiced velar fricative, which the Dutch usually call "de zachte g".

Best regards,

Roger Hondshoven

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From: Ben J. Bloomgren <godsquad at cox.net>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2004.05.18 (01) [E]

Hello Ron, Frederic and all. We have spoken of French West Flemish. Does
that include the areas of Brussels, Antwerp and Ghent?

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Hi, Ben!

> Does
> that include the areas of Brussels, Antwerp and Ghent?

No, those are in Belgium.  We are talking about the area of France (at the
Belgium border) in which Flemish is or recently was spoken.  This roughly
corresponds to the French county (départment) of Nord-Pas de Calais and
includes the city of Dunkerken/Dunkerque (German _Dünkirchen_).  It's the
northernmost tip of France.  It is rather close to southeastern England
(Dover etc.) across the English Channel.

I'm sure our own Frédéric Baert (whose home area this is) and others are
more knowledgeable about this and could give you details if you are
interested.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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