LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.10.14 (09) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.10.13 (06) [E]

Hallo Mathieu
Are you the Mathieu who is a friend of Kenneth the Dane from Groningen?
Nice to meet you here, then!
Yes, Mölmsch looks like (North) Limburgish too, maybe because of the EI's
and OU's where Standard Dutch and most Dutch dialects have EE and OO.
But I wonder how these EI and OU are pronounced, maybe not so different from
Dutch EE [e:i] and OO [o:u] that are in fact diphthongs too.
I noticed reading the translations of my scarry poem that Reinhard uses two
different ways too spell Lower Saxon: one with OO and EE ("German-based
orthography"), the other with OU and EY.
So Franz and Reinhard: what do you mean by that? Houdoe, Ingmar

Mathieu van Woerkom:
> > Ingmar wrote:
>
> > The Mülheim Platt reminds me of the dialect in the region where I live
> now,
> > locally called Kleverlands, officially Zuid-Gelders (NL).
> > I wouldn't call it Limburgish, because THE characteristic features of
> Limb.
> > are words like   'ich', 'mich', 'och' and 'ouch' for
> > 'ik', 'mij', 'ou', 'ook' and I don't see those in Franz' "Lienteike".
>
> That's true, you certainly can't call it Limburgish. But somehow his
> speech has a certain 'ring' to it, which sounds Limburgish (as for a few
> characteristics of the dialects of Southern Gelderland as well, I might
> add). And: the Limburgish word for 'scar' is also 'Lienteike', just like
> in Mölmsch...
>
> Regards,
> Mathieu

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.10.13 (06) [E]

One question I forgot to ask before: does Mölmsch Platt have tonal
opposition?
Because that is, besides pronouns like  ich vs ik, mich vs mij, öch vs ou
and ouch vs ook
the most important Limburg dialect characteristic. And of course the most
interesting too.
I think besides Limburgish, Rheinland and Letzeburg Middle German have this
too
(and Swedish and Norwegian). Ingmar

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