LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.03 (03) [E/Middelsprake]

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From: Troy Sagrillo <meshwesh at bigfoot.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.02 (09) [E/Middelsprake]

on 03.09.2004 1.57 AM, Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org> wrote:

> I have read somewhere, though, that St Columba used an interpreter when
> proselytising Scotland, meaning that the Gaelic of Ireland wasn't mutually
> intelligible with Pictish.

Although there is admittedly still debate, it is my understanding that most
scholars working on Pictish regard it as having been a P-Celtic language
rather than Q-Celtic.

Best,

Troy

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From: yasuji <yasuji at amber.plala.or.jp>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.01 (06) [E/Middelsprake]

Dear Lowland Friends,

> >
 Ingmar wrote:
> > Okso up dat website du kan finde meer over de sprake dat du lese nu,
> > "Middelsprake", de intergermanisch sprake dat
> > ig ha kreered, on dat mot wese de meen sprake to middel af Dütisch,
> > Engelisch, Nederlandisch, Nedersaksisch on Frisisch, doch okso
> Danisch,
> > Swedenisch on (Nü-)Norisch.

I have read some postings on the abovementioned posting by Ingmar. I am not
a professional linguist nor a native speaker of any lowland language. But
from my poor knowledge of Low Saxon, Netherlandish and English, I can easily
understand that the language has clear special features of so-called lowland
languages and/or dialects. As an amature language lover, I guess it should
be a "man-made lowland language" from the word "de intergermanisch sprake".
Is my guess out of focus?
I also would like to know the true character" of this language.

Greeting
[Yasuji Waki]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at worldonline.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.02 (09) [E/Middelsprake]

> From: Mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
> Subject: LL-L "Introduction" 2004.09.01 (13) [Middelsprake]
>
>
> Hi,
> Ingmar wrote:
> "Okso up dat website du kan finde meer over de sprake dat du lese nu,
> "Middelsprake", de intergermanisch sprake dat
> ig ha kreered,..."
>
> When I began reading Ingmar´s introduction, I got more and more puzzled
what
> language it might be. Then, of course I saw the name "middelsprake". Very
> interesting! I could read it without any difficulty, didn´t miss a single
> word, reading it fluently. So it would seem that it is a brilliant
success,
> BUT: I may not be the right guy to judge on that, because I am fluent in
> some of the "component" languages and know all of them to some extent. The
> language should be tried on someone who is monolingual, but such person
> might be hard to come by in the LLL. Ingmar, why don´t you do the
experiment
> and let us know the results?
> Mid de hertlig gröte!
> Mike Wintzer

Good idea, Mike! Many members of this list will be compotent in more than
one Germanic language or at least know a lot about linguistics etc. But for
me it won't be easy to find a monolingual to test Middelsprake on, because
my compatriots all know Dutch (and often a Dutch dialect) but nearly all are
more or less competent in the two big GermLangs. Even my 85 year old
grandmom, whose first language is Lower Saxon, second lang Dutch, but she
knows quite a lot of English and High German as well. I think in countries
like Germany or the UK it's much easier to find monolingual speakers

Ingmar

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