LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.15 (02) [E]

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From: Bill Wigham <redbilly2 at earthlink.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.13 (10) [E]

Re: LL-L Language Varieties
Fries Mogation
Bill Wigham

    Since no one seems to have any documentation for the disappearance and
reappearance of the Frieslanders
may I throw in my own guess?  If indeed the West Frieslanders were evicted
by stronger (and ruder) neighbors, in coalition with Good King Etzel, who's
to say their former holdings were not taken over by East or even North
Friesians?
It all conjecture isn't it?  People who can't write should not complain if
others screw up their history.
Cheers,
Bill

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From: Ruth & Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2004.09.14 (07) [E]

Dear John,

Subject: Language varieties

> On a different point, Mark wrote:
>
> "Well, in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, Fries were recruited to man King
> Alfred's Navy, since they were, unlike the English of that time, seamen.

>>From here on it's me, swinging from the shoulder. However I stand by my
thesis. According to the sagas, the Norse didn't often raid in Friesia.
Reputedly they didn't like honest seamen (read 'thieves'), & they didn't
mind fighting over water. Also, I imagine, there was precious little to
steal from them.

They were warriors of note & they spoke a dialect mutually intelligable to
> the English. Their only problem was unfamiliarity with keels..."

> Where is this from? Is "they spoke a dialect mutually intelligable to the
> English" a contemporary observation? I can only find a reference in 897 to
> the fact that Alfred designed ships unlike Frisian and Danish ones.

The same passage (in the AS Chronicle) goes on to describe their
introduction to keel-ships & ebbing tide.

> Usual disclaimers.

I rather like that.

Yrs,
Mark

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