LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.29 (02) [E]

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From: Pyt Berg <pytbergy at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.28 (03) [E/V/French/German]

Surely Latin alone would not suffice and you need to consider ancient Greek
as well!

My reasoning is that many of the Slavic languages have the powerful
influence that came from adopting a Greek based alphabet from St. Cyril
(hence Cryllic alphabet).

I beileive Esperanto draws on all these roots as well as Latin. (see last
email for % that is Germanic, Slavic and Italic(& Greek) based words.

Pyt Berg.

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From: Pyt Berg <pytbergy at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.27 (06) [E]

Ron,

great to get your in depth views of this.

There is potentially a World Language that could be used :-

1. One that respects every language and allows a native speaker to speak it.
2.  Uses more than just the "auditory" communications channel.

Go to Goggle, then type in "Symbolvision".  You should see examples in
different
languages ( these could easy be the different Lowlands ones)

Pyt Berg   :-o

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: "Introduction" [E]

> From: Mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
> Subject: LL-L "Introduction" 2004.09.25 (03) [E/LS]
>
> HOWEVER: What strikes me most is the apparent indifference with which you,
> Heini, confirm:
>
> yes, you and me and our compatriotes were linguistically raped. Isnt this
a
> HORRIBLE crime???
>
> Shouldnt this make us all angry, fuming mad, put us into a raging fury
> about this gross injustice, this blatant violation of our human rights
that
> was, and IS BEING, done to us? And as a consequence make us DO something

People who speak English rather than Scots in the Scottish Lowlands are
people who actively chose, or had ancestors who actively chose, to speak or
write English because they believed it would give them or their children a
better chance in life. No-one's stopping them from speaking and writing
Scots if they want to.

It's more like self-mutilation than rape.

Sandy
http://scotstext.org/

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From: Mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2004.09.28 (03) [E/V/French/German]

moin-moin,

Ron wrote:

"If Esperanto, Volapük and Chinese are options,
why is English not an option?"

I expressed myself in a very confusing manner, sorry.
My point was: Esperanto or English or ANY other, it doesn´t matter, as long
as we GET ONE.
When it gets to the fine print, of course many arguments can be made for or
against one or the other. I understand many of the points the Esperantists
make. The point for English, of course, is that it would be an expedient and
therefore the least utopic solution, etc.etc.etc.

""Fighting"?  Who's been fighting?"

Let me put it this way: some pro- and contra-Esperanto arguments recently
were formulated in a very strong way.

"And in what way would a lingua franca save our languages?"

You surprise me, Ron. Sounds like an exam question.
If you really meant it: It would remove both the pretexts and the real
reason for language repression and regression.

Greetings everyone, Mike Wintzer.

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language politics

Mike:

> My point was: Esperanto or English or ANY other, it doesn´t
> matter, as long as we GET ONE.

But English already *is* the global lingua franca, certainly _de facto_!

> If you really meant it: It would remove both the pretexts and the
> real reason for language repression and regression.

I may seem surprisingly thick or provocative to you, but I honestly still
don't understand the reasoning.  I must be missing a connection, and I don't
mean this faceciously.  In what way would a universal lingua franca prevent
the suppression of minority languages by those whose promotion of national
linguae francae includes the eradication of minority languages within their
respective countries?  This is not a quiz.  I am merely interested in
getting your point.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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