LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.09 (03) [E/F/LS]

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.07 (07) [E/F/LS]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
> I have another question regarding Afrikaans.
>
> In Afrikaans, there is no inherited "this" vs "that" opposition of the
> sort
> we find in English, Low Saxon (_dit_ ~ düt_ vs _dat_) and Dutch (_dit_
> vs
> _dat_).  Afrikaans has just _dit_ as a generic, and it has the
> compounds
> _hierdie_ (< "here that/the") for 'this' and _daardie_ (< "there
> that/the")
> for 'that'.  I wonder if there is some (assumedly indirect) Frisian
> influence, given Westerlauwer Frisian _dit_ meaning both 'this' and
> 'that'.
> Do you also say *_dit hjir_ and *_dit dêr_ or *_hjir dit_ and *_dêr
> dit_
> respectively in Frisian?  Are there (assumedly mostly coastal) Low
> Franconian varieties that have a similar system (perhaps due to Frisian
> substrates) from which Afrikaans might have inherited it (rather than
> Afrikaans having "simplified" the system by itself or due to different
> influences)?  How about Zeelandic?

It Westerlauwer Frysk hat sawol "dit", "dat" , "dizze", "dy".
Ik wit net hoe ofst dit misbegryp yn 'e wrâld kommen is... Yn it Noardfrysk
(mooring benammen) binne der al foarmen as "jüheer", jüdeer", mar dy binne
tink ûntstien trochdat 'jü' al it lidwurd is (froulik) (dy binne de basis
foar de lidwurden), en de gearfal fan lidwurd en oanwizend omnamwurd blykber
as ûnhandich ûnderfûn waard... It sil ek mei stipe krige ha fan de Jutske
dialekten, dy't neffens my ek sokke foarmen hawwe.

> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Mei freonlike groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Tank, beste Henno.

Mar binne "dit", "dat", "dizze" en "dy" ek wurde met ferskillene
betsjuttinge?

> Ik wit net hoe ofst dit misbegryp yn 'e wrâld kommen is...

Miskien meidat net genôch goeë Fryske wurd- en learboeke te fine binne?

Groetnis,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Utz H. Woltmann <uwoltmann at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.08 (01) [E]

Jonny wrote:

>> in uns LS-Mundoort bruukt wi aff un' an dat Woord *Knief*,
>
Beste Jonny,

mien Vadder hett ook ummer "Knief" to´n Klappmess seggt, aver nie nich
to´n Kökenmess. Mag ween, dat dat vun "canif" ut dat Französsch stammen
deit, dat is denn ook´n Klappmess. In ole Tieden hebbt de betern Lüüd
versökt Französsch to parleren.

Mit Kumpelment.
Utz H. Woltmann

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From: Utz H. Woltmann <uwoltmann at gmx.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.08 (06) [E/LS]

Elsie wrote:

> About knife:
>
> What about the Afrikaans 'klief'? Did the /kn/ go into /kl/ mode?
>
> Do you also have similar forms in other LL languages meaning
> 'to cut' or 'split into two'?

Beste Elsie,

wi hebbt "klöven" orrer "opklöven" in Neddersassisch , wat nipp un nau
datsülvige bedüden deit.

Mit Kumpelment.

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.08 (06) [E/LS]

Dag, Elsie,

"about knife" You wrote:

> Do you also have similar forms in other LL languages meaning
> 'to cut' or 'split into two'?
>
> Example in Afr: Die straler klief deur die lug.

Yes, we have: LS: "*cloeuven* (Holt) ['Hest Diin Holt föör 'n Winter all
kloeuvt?']", E: "to chop (wood)", G: "(Holz) spalten, hacken".

Greutens/sincerely

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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