LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.17 (07) [E]

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From: Gary Taylor <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Hi everyone.

Jonny, you wrote:

"LS: *Tiff*, HG: 'Hündin, E: 'bitch'.

We don't use this word often in our times, but I still know it well from my
teen-ages."

Could this be at all related somewhat obscurely to Middle Saxon 'tike' also
meaning bitch coming from Germanic tikô?

"though I found E: 'tiff' in the meaning of HG: 'kleine
Meinungsverschiedenheit'. There
is a slight (halfpennie-worth; is it still in use??) idea they could
relate."

The halfpenny has sadly passed away, although the phrase lives on, albeit a
bit dated. Or did you mean the word 'tiff' which is very much alive, and is
also in such phrases as 'He's in a tiff', or 'She's having a tiff' meaning
they're in a bad mood. My etymology states for English tiff 18th Century
obscure.

Gary

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From: Roger Thijs, Euro-Support, Inc. <roger.thijs at euro-support.be>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.17 (03) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
> People tended to name the non-Scandinavian Germanic peoples by
generalizing
> the names of the people with which they had contacts.

This still happened recently. In my Limburgish we still use "Pruis" for
"German" etc.

Rhenania (Rheinland) became Prussian in 1815 (till 1918). The term
"Prussian" was extended to all Germans in our local dialect.

Regards,

Roger

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Roger,

Doesn't the "Prussian" thing apply to practically all Limburgish, Low
Franconian and Low Saxon varieties of Belgium and the Netherlands near the
German border?

Incidentally, the original name _Pruyss_ (<Prüß>) [pry:s] 'Prussian' and
related words came to be replaced by the German loan _Preuß(e)_ [prOIs(e)]
in most Low Saxon dialects of Germany, also _Oost-Pruyssen_ (<Oostprüßen>)
giving way to German-based _Ostpreußen_ 'Eastern Prussia'.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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