LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.18 (01) [E]

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From: Arend Victorie <victorie.a at home.nl>
Subject: Etymology


Moi Jonny,

Bi'j oonz in Drenthe kent wi'j dat woord as Teef, Teve.
Name van een vrouwgieshond. Maor 't wurdt ok as schimpwoord veur sommigen
van 't vrouwelijk geslacht bruukt.

In mien Nederlaans etymologisch woordenboek stiet 't as volgt.
Teef, (Middelnederlaans) 1240 tẽue. (Middelnederduuts) 1227 tēve.
(Oldengels) tife.

(Hoogduutsdialect) ziwwe. (Noordfries) teww.



Goodgaon,

Arend Victorie.


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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Beste Arend, Leyglanders,

"Teev'" [te:.v] wardt ook in welke Neddersassischen dialekten up de Duytsche
syd' bruukt, hyr un daar ook noch old "teve" ['te:ve], meyrtal "teven"
['te:v=m].  "Tif" [tIf] (meyrtal "tiffen" ['tIf=m]) is begenglich in de
dialekten, dey geyrn verkörten dout un d'n sleeptoon verlaren hebt.

In welke dialekten is ook "tsip" [(t)sIp] (meyrtal "tsippen" ['(t)sIp=m])
<Zipp(en)> begenglich.  Dat mutt 'n leenwoord vun "Middel-"Duytsche
dialekten syn, dat mit düsse woyrd' verwandt is, wyl dat al or de meyrsten
woyrd' mit "ts-" vun annere spraken af-koymen, tou meyrst vun 't Duytsche
(so as _tsop_ neven _top_ 'hair braid'), un 'n paar koymen vun 't Latynsche
af, sachs oever 't Duytsche, so as "tsippel" (onion) < _Zippel_ (~
_Zwiebel_) < _cæpul(l)a_ < _cæpa_.  Anners schul wat in 't Duytsche /ts-/
(<z->) is in 't Neddersassische /t-/ syn.

Kumpelmenten,
Reinhard/Ron

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