LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.19 (03) [A/E/LS]

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From: embryomystic at cogeco.ca <embryomystic at cogeco.ca>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.18 (03) [E/LS]

Ben Bloomgren wrote:
> Hello, list, what is the origin of the suffix ock? I
> have only heard it in two words:  hillock and bullock.
> In hillock, it sounds like a diminutive. A bullock is a
> baby bull or ox, right? From where comes this suffix?

I don't know whether this is the origin of the endings on hillock and
bullock, but Scots has a diminutive ending -ock.
It comes from the Gaelic -ag (the final consonant is unvoiced, I'm told),
which is also a diminutive, cognate to Irish -óg. It's used in Scots quite
productively, I understand, and sometimes paired with the other
diminutive, -ie, to produce -ockie.

Regards,

Isaac M. Davis

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From: Elsie Zinsser <ezinsser at icon.co.za>
Subject: LL-L Etymology" 2005.04.18 (01) [A]

Dag julle,

In Afrikaans is 'teef/tewe' ook 'n wyfiehond, en gebruiklik as skeldnaam vir
'n veglustige vrou.

Ron, ek ken 'tjip' (betekenis: bemoeisiek of skinderbek) in Afrikaans maar
dis nie gebruiklik in Afrikaans nie, en ek dink dit kom van Oos-Kaapse
Engels.

Groete,
Elsie Zinsser

>Name van een vrouwgieshond. Maor 't wurdt ok as schimpwoord veur sommigen
van 't vrouwelijk geslacht bruukt.

In welke dialekten is ook "tsip" [(t)sIp] (meyrtal "tsippen" ['(t)sIp=m])
<Zipp(en)> begenglich.

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From: Global Moose Translations <globalmoose at t-online.de>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.18 (03) [E/LS]

> LS: *Tofalsteen*, ook *Tafelsteen*,  HG:'Würfel', E: 'dice'.
>
> In de etymoloogschen Wöörbökers finn ick:
>
> Old Saxon: 'tafalsteen' HG: 'Würfel', E: 'dice';
> Old Frisian: 'tofalla', HG:'zufallen', E:'fall to...',;
> Old English: 'tabele', HG: 'Brettspiel', E:'board game';
> Old High German: 'zabalstein' HG: 'Würfel', E: 'dice';
> Old High German: 'zabalon' HG: 'zappeln,', E: 'to struggle, wriggle'.
>
> Waard dat in anner Lowlann'sche Sprooken ook sou bruukt?

But of course. The Dutch word for a die (pl. dice) is "dobbelsteen".

Anything to keep you happy, Jonny... ;-)
Gabriele Kahn

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From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.17 (07) [E]

Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Etymology
> People tended to name the non-Scandinavian Germanic peoples by
generalizing
> the names of the people with which they had contacts.<

See also Amish:

"You be careful out among the English"  from the film Witness : this must
be one of the best quoted sentences from any modern film, spoken by the
Amish farmer, Jakob

Heather

PS Still trying to follow up on the recent comment that the relationship
between Italo-celtic languages has been debunked. All the recent books I
have checked so far are still referring to it. Could I have some direction
in which to look for the 'debunkers'. I found a very emotional web forum
where a member was using DNA results ( unproven?) to link all sorts of
unlikely countries/peoples and thereby proving ( so he said) that the
accepted IE family history was twaddle. UNfortunately he made the mistake
of thinking that a  single langugae would restrict its use to a single DNA
group.... which of course it doesn't and probably never has except
millions/hundreds of thousands of years ago.

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From: heather rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Etymology" 2005.04.18 (03) [E/LS]

Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>Hello, list, what is the origin of the suffix ock? I have only heard it in
two words:  hillock and bullock. In hillock, it sounds like a diminutive. A
bullock is a baby bull or ox, right? From where comes this suffix?
Ben<

It is as you suggested a diminutive and there are many more than one
expects:  paddock   hassock   mattock   dunnock ( bird)   tussock -  not
forgetting 'small balls' !
OED gives it as Old English  -oc  or -uc

Heather

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