LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.12.14 (07) [E]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 14 December 2005 * Volume 07
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From: sam s claire <gamlhs at juno.com>
Subject:

Jonny Meibohm made a reference to 'Thieve's Latin.'    I'm aware of  'Cat
Latin' and 'Dog Latin.'  I'd like to know a bit more about the essence of
Thieve's Latin.
 Thanks, Sid

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language varieties

Hi, Sid!

As revealed in the Low Saxon version of his communication, Jonny was 
referring to Rotwelsch, a now extinct German-based "jargon" of marginalized 
communities. Many Rotwelsch words and expressions are still found in German, 
among them many Yiddish- and Romany-derived ones (including calques).

The name _Welsch_ (related to the names "Welsh," "Gaelic," "Gaul," etc.) 
used to refer to Romance language varieties and later came to denote any 
language variety that is impossible or difficult to understant.  (Hence 
_Kauderwelsch_ 'gobbledigook')  I assume that that's why our Jonny freely 
translated it as "Latin."

Just clarifying.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: Roger Hondshoven <roger.hondshoven at telenet.be>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2005.12.14 (01) [E]

Thanks for sending me those documents. I had a look at them and afterwards
put down some remarks in connection with the information they contained. I
tried to open the documents again to check a few detals, but for some
obscure reason I couldn't. Whatever I  do,  the documents seem to be
definitely out of reach. What's more, my reply was blocked as well. I'll try
to recall my remarks.
The 1st map is extremely interesting. However, it's unfortunate we cannot
see what the isophone-lines stand for. The 2nd document contained some
unfortunate errors with respect to the situation in Melkwezer.
rouw, trouw, douw: no w-naslag; gans: Mw. gans; houden: Mw. hööve; werpen:
Tiens warepe. Perhaps there were some more.
Generally speaking it was often hard to decide what exact sounds were meant
by the rather fancy representations.

Best regards,

Roger 

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