LL-L "Etymology" 2005.02.11 (04) [E]

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From:  R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Etymology

Just now, Críostóir wrote under "Lexicon":

> Ron wrote:
> "Schachtel = schachtel (?) : carton (box), box (usually made of carton or
> paper)"
>
> Presumably this is cognate with, or the origin of, or utterly unrelated
to,
> the now endangered English word _satchel_ which referred to the leather
> schoolbags previously endemic to most schools in the Anglophone world.

Hmmm ... Interesting.  Not impossible.  I don't have a German etymological
dictionary within reach right now.  So your guess is as good as mine,
probably better.

Looking at it only from a phonological angle, I would have guessed it's a
diminutive (_-l_) derivative of _schacht_.  Since West Germanic varieties
often interchanged _-ch-_ and _-f-_ (e.g., E. loft (< ON _loft_), E. lift (<
OE _lyft_), G. _Luft_, LS _luft_ ~ _lucht_, D. _lucht_ 'air', also LS
_lichten_ 'to raise' vs E. to lift).  I immediately thought of "shaft",
which originally denoted something cylindrical (OE _sceaft_, OF _skeft_, OS,
OG _scaft_, ON _skapt_, MS, MD _schaft_ ~ _schacht_).

"Satchel" comes from Old French _sachel_ < Latin _saccellus_ 'little sack' <
_saccus_ 'sack' (so Latin _sac-_ > _saccell-_, diminutive /-(e)l-/ being
shared by Romance and Germanic, among others).

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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