LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.15 (10) [E]

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From: Szelog, Mike <Mike.Szelog at cfgcustomers.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.15 (06) [E]

Hello all,

If by [K] you refer to the lateral fricative (i.e. Welsh 'll', Zulu 'hl'), I
have heard a lot of spoken Faroese and have never heard this sound in it.

You've gotten my curiosity though; sorry I haven't been following the thread
closely enough, but are you saying that the Icelandic 'tl' can be pronounced
as a lateral fricative? I've always heard it as either a 'tl' or 'tK' ('t' +
lateral fricative), but in any event, always with the 't'.

Mike S
Manchester, NH - USA

> I suppose [K] must also be found in Faroese, then, due to its closeness to
> Icelandic. I am surprised the sound is comparatively rare given its
> predictable development from the /tl/ cluster. Is it not known in any
> other
> Lowlandic languages and variants? I would expect it to have survived word
> medially in Cornish English (it hasn't) and word initially in at least one
> of the Welsh Englishes (it hasn't).

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Mike (above):

> You've gotten my curiosity though; sorry I haven't been following the
> thread
> closely enough, but are you saying that the Icelandic 'tl' can be
> pronounced
> as a lateral fricative? I've always heard it as either a 'tl' or 'tK' ('t'
> +
> lateral fricative), but in any event, always with the 't'.

Not <tl>, but <ll> and <rl> after a vowel.  But it seems to be fairly
complex, and orthography is not reliable.  According to BRAGI
(http://www2.hu-berlin.de/bragi/b0/b0_framburdur_de.htm), _fjall_ is
[fadl_0] (with a voiceless "l" preceded by "d"), _allir_ is ["adlIr_0] (with
a voiced "l" preceded by "d"), _allt_ is [al_0t] (with a voiceless "l"
only), and _ball_ is [baK] ... Go figure!  Something complex seems to be
going on.  I could dig around among my books at home, but the best of them
may have preceded me to California ...

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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