LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.29 (03) [E]

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From: Ben J. Bloomgren <godsquad at cox.net>
Subject: LLL Phonology

Hi, list, how do you explain the morphology of Dutch kwam and High German
kam? Is there a common point of dialectal differentiation in other languages
that would point to a change like that? Which came first?
Ben

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From: David Barrow <davidab at telefonica.net.pe>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2005.06.28 (12) [E]

> From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
> Subject: LL-L "Anniversary" 2005.06.28 (07) [E]
>
> I don't know why it doesn't show at the screen, but I'm sure I wrote:
>
> tijdje ["tE.ic@], ouders ["a.ud at rs], and thuis [tö.ys], but
> the second elements of the SAMPA-diphthongs seem to have lost
>
> Ingmar
>
Ingmar,

In SAMPA the . (dot, period) is a syllable break marker. I would read
the above as separate syllables not as diphthongs.

tijdje ["tEic@], ouders ["aud at rs], and thuis [töys]

David Barrow

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Phonology

Hi, Ben!

I don't know if this helps, but I can tell you that Old (High) German, too, 
has /kwam/ <quam> for 'came' (e.g., _AKK sahun thi mithont quamun gahun_ 
'Those that came at once beheld the great misery').  The same applies to Old 
Saxon (e.g., _ Allsô hê umbi thia eggia quam, was that the leo, the thar 
hliop_ 'When he came around the corner, it turned out to be the lion that 
was walking there').  Modern German has _kam-_, and Modern North Saxon has 
_keym-_.

David (above):

> In SAMPA the . (dot, period) is a syllable break marker. I would read
> the above as separate syllables not as diphthongs.

David, I'm afraid I have to defend our Ingmar here (Darn!) and plead guilty 
to having led him from the path of the righteous.  I use(d to use) the dot 
instead of % for half-length, and I wore poor Ingmar down, him who started 
off with %.  I promise to mend my ways.

Cheers!
Reinhard/Ron

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