LL-L "Syntax" 2005.03.22 (05) [E/F]

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2005.03.21 (04) [E]

> From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>
> Subject: Syntax
>
> Dear Lowlanders,
>
> This inquiry concerns a peculiar, restrictive numeral phrase
> construction in
> Low Saxon (Low German).  I would like to know if any of you can add any
> information to it, also if there are similar constructions in related
> languages.
>
> The usual construction:
> [{num} ({counter}) {noun}]

> (4)
> Stükker twey.
> (<Stücker twee.>)
> Two (of them).
>
> (4)
> Stükker twey.
> (<Stücker twee.>)
> Two (of them).

Yn it Frysk (Westerlauwer) soe dit wêze:
- in stik as twa
ek wol
- (in) stik twa [seldsum]

(normaal: stik, mt. stikken. Oars: "twa stik" of "twa" soe ek in
normaal andert wêze)

Nederlands: een stuk of twee,
Of "twee stuk"/ "twee stuks" (dit zou een regionaal verschil kunnen
zijn, de -s vorm klinkt mij beter in de oren)
Wellicht een oud Ingweoons meervoud (arms in sommige westelijke
dialecten vs armen in de meeste andere).

Soe "stükker twey" net ûntstien wêze kinne út ('n) stük (of) twey, mei
lettere ynfolling fan it meartal doe't
it ûntjûn wie ta *" stük [@] twey " ??

> N.B.: *_twey stük appeln_ would be marginal at best, and _twey stük
> appel_
> would mean 'two pieces of apple'.
>
> It occurs also with a specific plural form of _jaar_ 'year'.  Rather
> that
> the usual plural form _jaren_, you use _jaarner_ (<Jahrner> ~
> <Johrner>)
> *only in this construction*:

In jier as twa, in jier twa, in jiermannich [WF]
Een jaar of twee, een stuk of twee jaar [NL]

> [jaarner {num}]
> e.g.
>
> Wou lang is hey nu al in Amerika?
> (<Wo lang is he nu al in Amerika?>)
> How long has he been in America by now?
>
> Possible answers:
> (1)
> Man eyrst so wat üm twey jaar (~ jaren).
> (<Man eerst so wat üm twee Jahr (~ Jahrn).>)
> Only for something like a couple of years.
> (2)
> Man eyrst so wat üm jaarner twey.
> (<Man eerst so wat üm Jahrner twee.>)
> Only for something like a couple of years.
>
> (4) Are similar constructions used in other Lowlands language
> varieties?
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
>
> Regards,
> Reinhard/Ron

Mei freonlike groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Syntax" 2005.03.21 (04) [E]


The use of sing. "year" in plural situations is common in many English
dialects: "I bin 'ere forty year or more"

Paul

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