LL-L "Resources" 2005.05.18 (08) [E]

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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Language acquisition" 2005.05.18 (07) [E]

I don't know, of course Meliha was a Dutch-born second generation Turkish
girl whose parents worked as Gastarbeiter in fish-and-shrimp-factories in
Terneuzen, and whose first langage was Dutch/Flemish... Most second and
third generation members of the major (Islamic) minorities in Holland are
Arabic/Berber (Moroccan) and Turkish/Kurdic children who were born here
speak -their kind of - Dutch amongst each other, and aren't fluent in both
their *native* languages and Dutch.

I just bought with a <boekenbon> I got at my birthday (May 14) a very
interesting copy of  "Wereld Nederlands" by Nicoline van der Sijs, about
the different varieties of Dutch: Afrikaans, Curaçaos-Nederlands, Indisch-
Nederlands, Jiddisch-Nederlands, Surinaams-Nederlands, Arabisch-Neder-
lands and Turks-Nederlands (Meliha!). Very interesting... especially the
chapter about Jiddisch-Nederlands, a now extinct form of Dutch, because of
the Holocaust. It shows Western Jiddish did exist! despite the believe of
a few listees.
"Wereld Nederlands" isbn 90 12 10739 3, about ? 25,=  euri.

Muchas gracias
Römeö Roerdinkholder

>From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Language acquisition
>
>Ingmar:
>
>> a Turkish girl who taught me the sentence <Meliha bir kIz
>> güzeldir> (Meliha is a nice/beautiful girl).
>
>Hmmm ... Are you sure, Romeo?  Not _Meliha güzel (bir) kIzdIr_?  Or might
>she have been deficient in Turkish?  (Or am I?  Yeah, sure.)

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Resources

Belatedly happy birthday and many happy returns, Ingmar!

"A few listees" never said that Western Yiddish was never used in the
Netherlands, only that Western Yiddish is almost extinct (with a few
possible remnants for instance in Switzerland and Elsace), and that what is
called "Westjiddisj" in the Netherlands (and Belgium) *now* is Eastern
Yiddish with Dutch influences, used mostly by people who are themselves East
Europeans or are descended from such.

That book sounds really very interesting.  I've got to read it sometime.
Nice birthday gift!

Hou je!
Reinhard/Ron

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