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L O W L A N D S - L * 12 October 2005 * Volume 02
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From: "heather rendall" <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.10.11 (04) [E]

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>Aren't we talking about the Isle of Taneth (with an "e") here?  It's at
the
eastern tip of Kent (Roman "Cantium"), separated from the mainland by the
Whatsum Channel, which has been silted in in more recent times.  In Roman
times, the island lay a good mile offshore, and its name was "Tanatus
insula" then.  The main town is Margate, Broadstairs and Ramsgate coming
next.  The usual way of reaching the "island" is via Canterbury, pretty
much
the same route that existed in Roman times.  There are loads of Roman
relics
on Taneth.  In Saxon times it tended to be called "Tenet."<

And now known as the Isle of Thanet

Heather

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From: "Peter Snepvangers" <snepvangers at optushome.com.au>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.10.11 (04) [E]

From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder
The Island of Tanith? Where might that be, I've never heard of it before.

From: Jonny Meibohm
I've heard about this rumor, too, but never found any documentation
proving it.
But- _Tanith_ sounds interesting. I just slightly remember that the Vikings
had occupied Tanith for a while
in the times before 1066;

From: R. F. Hahn
Aren't we talking about the Isle of Taneth (with an "e") here?  It's at the
eastern tip of Kent (Roman "Cantium"), separated from the mainland by the
Whatsum Channel, which has been silted in in more recent times.  In Roman
times, the island lay a good mile offshore, and its name was "Tanatus
insula" then.  The main town is Margate, Broadstairs and Ramsgate coming
next.  The usual way of reaching the "island" is via Canterbury, pretty much
the same route that existed in Roman times.  There are loads of Roman relics
on Taneth.  In Saxon times it tended to be called "Tenet."

I suspect the name to be British (Brythonic Celtic), and I wonder if it is
based on a root meaning 'thin', 'stretched-out', also 'nearby'; cf. Old
Irish _tana_, Cornish _tanow_, Breton _tanaw_, Welsh _teneu_ (< *_tanavo_),
also Old Irish _tend_ (> _teann_) 'tight', 'close', 'nearby', Welsh _tyn_
'tight', 'stretched',  which are related to English "thin," German _dÃ¼nn_,
etc., also to Latin _tenuis_ 'thin', _tendo_ 'stretch' and _tentus_
'stretched' (also "tense," "tension" etc.), also Sanskrit à¤¤à¤¨à¥ _tanu_
'thin',
'slender'.
That's a lovely area of Southern England, and an interesting one as well.
St. Augustine is supposed to have landed on the Island in 596 and then
embarked on his mission.  And lots of other things happened there since.
I had never heard of Taneth having served to confine Saxons.  That's an
interesting bit of information.  Are there any details to be had?

Hello Alle Maal,
I think Ron is correct here, as Thanet was once an Isle that silted up to
the mainland. I have been reading a wonderful book called "North Sea Saga"
by Paul Jordan, ISBN 0582772575 and thoroughly recommend it to all
Lowlanders. Info from the book includes....
The Isle is called Thanet and is reputed to be the place where Hengist and
Horsa landed (Ebbsfleet) at the start of Anglo saxon settlement, and later
in 597 St Augustine arrived there. In 669 King Egbert of Kent founded a
monastery and church inside the old Roman fort. The Danes overwintered on
the Isle in 850 and 851 with hundreds of ships and attacked London and
Canterbury before they were beaten off Sandwich by the English under
Aethelstan.
Dag,
Peter Snepvangers
snepvangers at optushome.com.au

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From: "Paul Finlow-Bates" <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.10.11 (04) [E]

It's actually "Thanet" :)

Paul

From: R. F. Hahn
Subject: History

Aren't we talking about the Isle of Taneth (with an "e") here? It's at the
eastern tip of Kent (Roman "Cantium"), separated from the mainland by the
Whatsum Channel, which has been silted in in more recent times. In Roman
times, the island lay a good mile offshore, and its name was "Tanatus
insula" then. The main town is Margate, Broadstairs and Ramsgate coming
next. The usual way of reaching the "island" is via Canterbury, pretty much
the same route that existed in Roman times. There are loads of Roman relics
on Taneth. In Saxon times it tended to be called "Tenet."

I suspect the name to be British (Brythonic Celtic), and I wonder if it is
based on a root meaning 'thin', 'stretched-out', also 'nearby'; cf. Old
Irish _tana_, Cornish _tanow_, Breton _tanaw_, Welsh _teneu_ (< *_tanavo_),
also Old Irish _tend_ (> _teann_) 'tight', 'close', 'nearby', Welsh _tyn_
'tight', 'stretched', which are related to English "thin," German _dÃƒÂ¼nn_,
etc., also to Latin _tenuis_ 'thin', _tendo_ 'stretch' and _tentus_
'stretched' (also "tense," "tension" etc.), also Sanskrit
Ã Â¤Â¤Ã Â¤Â¨Ã Â¥ï¿½ _tanu_ 'thin',
'slender'.

That's a lovely area of Southern England, and an interesting one as well.
St. Augustine is supposed to have landed on the Island in 596 and then
embarked on his mission. And lots of other things happened there since.

I had never heard of Taneth having served to confine Saxons. That's an
interesting bit of information. Are there any details to be had?

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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From: "Thomas Byro" <greenherring at gmail.com
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.10.11 (03) [E]

Johannes
 Tanith was the Saxon name for the island. The book quotes the high king
Vortigern giving the Keltic name for the island but I forgot it.
 An interesting book is The Age of Arthur by John Morris. He states on page
278 that Hamburg appears to have been founded by slavs in the sixth century.
He said that while the city is surrounded by ancient German burials, none
are found within its ancient walls. The grave goods found are all slavic.
 Tom Byro

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From: "Thomas Byro" <greenherring at gmail.com
Subject: LL-L "History" 2005.10.07 (01) [E]

Ron
 Somewhere I have a book I bought from the History bookclub entitled The
Anglo-Saxons. The book convincingly documented that a huge reverse migration
took place after he Britons nearly expelled the Saxons, confining them to
the island of Tanith. These people recolonized Holstein and other Saxon
areas including Hamburg, which had become a slavic trading post.
 Tom Byro

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From: "Gary Taylor" <gary_taylor_98 at yahoo.com>
Subject: LL-L History

Hi Ron

you wrote "Isle of Taneth (with an "e")" - it's the
Isle of Thanet...

And I found this at
http://www.roman-britain.org/places/tanatus.htm

"The etymology of the name Tanatus, seems to stem from
the Celtic teine 'fire, bonfire' + arth 'height'. The
ending is uncertain, but seemingly related to the
Gaelic aird(e), ard 'height, promontory' and the Welsh
ardd 'hill, height'.

The suggestion that a lighthouse of some nature once
burned on the island is quite tenable given its
position on the Cantium Promuntorium and the
derivation of its name. It is likely that any beacon
would have been situated at telegraph Hill, west of
Manston Aerodrome, which is the highest point on
Thanet, though this is not backed-up with any evidence
from the ground. Alternately, there may have been
several small beacons arranged along the cliffs,
particularly at the North Foreland, though again, no
evidence has been found."

And yes it is a lovely part of the country, but being
an Essexman/Londoner, I'd have to say just north of
the Thames is much nicer :)

Gary

http://hometown.aol.com/taylor16471/myhomepage/index.html

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