LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.09.12 (06) [D/E/F]

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From: Henno Brandsma <hennobrandsma at hetnet.nl>
Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.09.11 (08) [A/E/LS]

> From: Heiko Evermann <heiko.evermann at gmx.de>
> Subject: LL-L "Lexicon" 2005.09.11 (02) [D/E]
>
> Hi Ron,
>
>> As for _Menge_, maybe you can use _Antall_, _Tall_, _Summ_ and
>> _Bedrag_ in
>> some contexts.
> ..
>
>> Dutch has the convenient word _g_ ("howmuchness") for it, which
>> would be *_Woväälheit_ (*_Woveelheit_) as a calque.
>>
> Well, I know, but the "Menge" I am looking for is something very
> special in
> mathematics. Some Links, just to make sure that you know what I am
> talking
> about. (Are you familiar with the mathematical concept of a set and
> with set
> theory?)
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set
> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menge_(Mathematik)
>
> Some other languages:
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ensemble
> http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mengde
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunto
> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mängd
>
> In the Dutch wikipedia they do not use hoveelheid, but
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzameling
> I have googled for hoveelheid and I have found phrases like
> "Luchtvochtigheid is de hoeveelheid vocht in de lucht." where
> hoveelheid has
> the meaning of amount.

Yndie. Yn it Frysk (WF) wurdt wol "hoemannichte" der foar bru^kt.
En foar Nl. "verzameling" komt "samling" oerien.

> In articles dealing with set theory it is always _verzameling_ like in
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aftelbare_verzameling
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verzamelingenleer
> http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_paradox
>
>> I suppose you might get away with _Schoof_ ....

This has a very special meaning in mathematics (Dutch schoof, WF
skeaf, eng. sheaf, French faisceau), which is not "set", so I'd avoid it....
(too technical to explain here)

> I have also thought about "de Versammeln", but I do not really like
> it. Schoof
> is the idea that I liked best. The problem is that I like it so
> much that I
> do not manage to find any other ideas besides it. Does that mean
> that it is
> so self-evident or does that mean that I am becoming blind?
>
> Tell me more. What do you know about the word _Schoof_? (So that I
> can further
> check this idea.)
>
> And we also need a word for the elemets of a set. From
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set:
> "The objects of a set are called elements or members.". This leads
> me to to
> 1) Element like in "2 is en Element in de Schoof vun de Primtallen"
> 2) Maat/Liddmaat like in "2 is en Maat in de Schoof vun de Primtallen"
> Or, as translation of the first sentences of
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_(mathematics)
> "In de Mathematik is en Maat/Liddmaat/Element 'n Objekt, dat Deel
> vun 'n
> Schoof is.

Yn it Nl wurdt hjit "element" foar sein. Ek wolris "lid".

> In de mathematische (mathemaatsche?) Schriefwies heet "A = {1, 2,
> 3, 4}", dat
> de Maten/Elementen vun de Schoof A de Tallen 1,2,3 un 4 sünd.
> Gruppen/Koppels? ut de Elementen vun A (t.B. {1,3}) sünd
> Ünnerschööv vun de
> Schööf A."

Subset == deelverzameling (NL)== dielsamling (WF)

> Do you like that? Does anyone object? Jonny? Any proposals? This
> might be your
> last chance :)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Heiko

Freonlike groetnis,

Henno Brandsma

(wiskundige..)

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