LL-L "Names" 2005.09.17 (01) [E]

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Place names'

Dear Lowlanders.

Some place-names which could be of interest:

'Brammer' - meaning a peninsula, a higher zone at the waters
'Buelkau', former 'Balkau', 'Balkow' - could be an 'au'= meaning a little
river as well as moistuered meadows, rising like a 'balkon' into the
sorrounding waters
'Belum' = former 'Bedelem'; just meaning any 'district, with a fence and/or
certain rules'. Could be of Frisian origin (but: look at 'Buettel', in the
same sense).
'Warningsacker' = very old, I think. It was the place to assemble in times
of danger, to do the necessary preparations.
'Oederquart'- could be 'Oderik's wharf'; had been a location for pilgrims in
the early christian days (pre 1.000).
'Cadenberge'- very old, I'm sure. No idea about it, but there is also
'Kehdingen', former 'Cadingen', 'Cadewisch', 'Kehdingbruch', 'Altkehdingen'.
I guess it to be cognate with 'Koog', 'Kaje', 'Kai', but it's just a pale
theory.
'Eggerkamp'- 'the field in the edge'
'Hullen'- 'kind of very flat island' (see also 'holm'); very common in
uncountable varities.

And there are lots of localities ending in '-worth', always meaning an
(artificial?) hill, sorrounded by water. But I fear all of them not older
than from ca. the times of Charlemagne (Karl der Große); all archeological
investigations seem to point out that the old Saxon settlements near the
coasts did decay and had been left by their inhabitants between 500 p.c.
till ~850 p.c.
After that a wave of settlers from the Frisian areas spread out and did
dominate place names here.

Could happen any day I'm able to tell more about this, because a friend of
mine put a professional archeologist in charge to do some more
investigations of this kind.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

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From: jonny <jonny.meibohm at arcor.de>
Subject: LL-L "Onomastics"

Dear Lowlanders,

some weeks ago Heather and Ron showed some interest for Saxon-derived names
which to find on the continent as well as on the British islands.
I made some thoughts and investigations, and here are my results (just one
penny for them):

'Oellerich', also 'Oellrich', 'Oelkers' - could be from 'Alarich'
'Ahn' - very typical here, often in the version 'von Ahn'
'Bulle' - 'the [John] Bull'?? Very typical in the region of Hadeln
'Nagel' - There's any 'Naglfare' in Norse I heard about
'Bruemmer'- could mean something like 'bremo', 'at the edge' (city of
Bremen)
'Hadeln'- also 'von H.'; it's told that this could be of Frisian origin

A lot of names of the old indigenous (they aspect themselves to be) nobility
which can be affirmed down to the 11. century I don't aspect to be useful-
they just came down here in the times of the knights-of-the-cross, from
allover Europe.

Greutens/Regards

Johannes "Jonny" Meibohm

BTW: my thoughts concerning place names I'll send right now in a different
mail- because of 'topic discipline' ;-)!

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