LL-L "Language politics" 2005.09.20 (14) [E]

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2005.09.20 (08) [E]

Fascinating Karl-Heinz, I never knew that.  But the point I was making about
English/Scots involvement was being an actual part of the Greater Lowlands,
rather than of Britain sticking its political oar in! (England hasn't had a
government since 1705).

Paul

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From: Mark Dreyer <mrdreyer at lantic.net>
Subject: LL-L "Language politics" 2005.09.20 (03) [A/E]

Beste Elsie

Subject: LL-L Language politics

> Ek stem met jou saam, Mark, maar het jy gehoor hoe stil het dit nou
> skielik geword?

Ja wel, maar tog. Ek dink nou aan die skare 'ander Afrikane' in die land wat
dit gereeld noodsaaklik vind om tussen mekaar in die Taal te kommunikeer,
nie net tussen swart en wit nie maar swart en swart. Toegeken, dis geen
aanduiding van 'inboorlingstand', maar wel dat die bestel wat dit onder die
mat wil wegvee praat tussen mekaar, nie met hulle, oftewel ons, op die grond
nie. Die binnelandse volksvreemdes se inset in die Taal is ook 'n skat in
stryd met huidige beleid; nie net Koikoi, Baster of Bruinmens nie, maar
Bantoetaalsprekendes ook. Een voorbeeld: Die voëltjie wat ons 'Piet My Vrou'
noem, in mimering van sy geroep, dra tussen die BaPedi in hulle Afrikaanse
gesprek die naam 'Gee My Geld'! Mynsinsiens baie meer van pas. Maar sien,
hulle verloor nie hulle moedertaal nie, en nogteminder praat hulle 'n kromme
halfvlotte Afrikaanse patois nie, maar ordentlikke, akademiese Afrikaans,
met sulke byvoegings; al te lekker.

Groete,
Mark

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From: mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2005.09.15 (13) [E]

Ron wrote:
"Why was it that I, who was very inquisitive about these matters already as
a child, found out about Rusyns and their language and culture as an adult?"
Take courage, Ron, even the Encyclopedia Brittannica doesn´t know the
Rusyns.
(I found out by trying to look it up, because I didn´t know either....)
Greetings, Mike Wintzer

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From: mike <botas at club-internet.fr>
Subject: LL-L "Language survival" 2005.09.15 (13) [E]

Ron wrote:

BUERROSENTRUER
Ik truer üm de roden Buerrosen bi de Stopen.
Vunavend weern dat man bloots noch twee.
Weiht de Morgenwind, is 't ook mit de ut un all.
Bi Lateernenlicht wunnerwark ik vunnacht œver't letzte Rood.

PFINGSTROSENTRAUER
Ich trauere um die roten Pfingstrosen bei den Stufen.
Heute Abend waren es nur noch zwei.
Weht der Morgenwind, ist es auch mit ihnen vorbei.
Bei Laternenlicht bewundere ich heute Nacht das letzte Rot.

PEONY LAMENT
I'm grieving about the red peonies by the steps.
There were only two of them left tonight.
Come the morning breeze, they, too, will be gone.
By a lantern's light will I admire the last red in the night.

                 白居易 Bai Juyi (Po Chü-i, 772–846 CE)
                 Translations ©2005, R. F. Hahn

Beautiful! And for me the first inkling that you look the realities straight
in the eye, Ron.
I don´t know why, but until now I always had the impression that you were
denying them.
Greetings 2 all, Mike Wintzer

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language politics

Mike (above):

> Take courage, Ron, even the Encyclopedia Brittannica doesn´t know the
> Rusyns.
> (I found out by trying to look it up, because I didn´t know either....)

Might they be listed under "Ruthenians," the older name?

> Beautiful! And for me the first inkling that you look the realities
> straight in the eye, Ron.
> I don´t know why, but until now I always had the impression
> that you were denying them.

Well, thanks, Mike.  Aren't I full of surprises?  So now I seem an inch or
so less naive and shallow?  :)

You're today's winner! Here's another impromptu pearl of wisdom of mine:

   "Defeatism, like overconfidence, considers just one result.
   Tenaciousness aims at one but considers at least two."

Hold Dy vuchtig!
Reinhard/Ron

***
तारका तिमिरं दीपो
मायाऽअवज़्याय बुद्बुदं
सुपिनं विद्युद् अभ्रं च
एवं द्रष्टव्यं संस्क्ऱ्तं

Tārakā timirãm dīpo
māyā-avazyāya budbudãm
supinãm vidyud abhrãm ca
evãm draşţavyãm sãmskŕtãm

As stars, visions, lamps,
As illusions, dewdrops, bubbles,
As dreams, lightning, clouds ...
Just so view things composed.

   वज्रच्चेदिकप्रज्णापारमितासूत्र
   Vajracchedika-prajñāpāramitā-sūtra
   ( Sutra of the Diamond that Cuts Through Illusion
   to Perfection of Wisdom )
   Translation ©2005, R. F. Hahn

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