LL-L "Names" 2005.09.26 (01) [E]

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.23 (01) [E]


From: R. F. Hahn
Subject: Names

This makes me wonder about place names with -um in England. Are there any
Frisian remnants among them, or are they all the supposed Anglo-Saxon
plural? Or is it the same thing?

Examples of Northeastern England:

Acomb (< Akum 'oaks')
Aireyholme (< Erghum 'at the shielings')
Bedlam (< Bodle Lum 'at the buildings')
Bolam (< Bolum 'planks')
Coatham (< Cotum 'at the cottages')
Moorseholm (< Mooresum 'moor houses'; cf. NF Morsum!)
Yarum ('fish pools')

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

Not so sure sure about a lot of those Ron; the "holmes" are almost certainly 
holm - island in OE and Norse.  Acomb is probably "Oak-combe" - Oak Valley 
(combe being a borrowing from Welsh cwm). Coatham is a typical "ham" name, 
cognate with "home", we've got thousands of 'em. I don't have my copy of 
Stenton to hand, but I'm fairly sure Bedlam was contracted from "Bethlehem"- 
there was a hospital there, Benedictine I think.  Don't know about Yarum or 
Bolam until the errant Stenton turns up!

Paul

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From: Paul Finlow-Bates <wolf_thunder51 at yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Names" 2005.09.25 (01) [E]


>From Ron:
Yeah, but northwest ain't northeast. :-) We now that the Welsh lived all
the way up in northwestern Scotland. But did they live on the east coast?

Welsh, or at least Brythonic speakers, covered much of the island once. 
Gaelic speakers ate into their territory from the north, Germanic speakers 
from the east and south, but whereas they contributed little to the 
vocabulary in spoken English, quite few place names and geographical terms 
lingered.  There are "coombes" or "combes" right across England.

Paul

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