LL-L "Language acquisition" 2006.04.05 (02) [A/E/Russian]

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05 April 2006 * Volume 02
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From: Obiter Dictum <obiterdictum at mail.ru>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2006.04.05 (01) [D/E/Russian]

Dagse Marcel en Ron,

> Spasibo za primechanie! Moj strannyj "to master a language" byl
> kontaminatsiya dvuch vyrazhenij: Afrikaanskogo "bemeester" (= ovladet') i
> Anglijskogo "to make oneself a master of" (= ovladet').
> Menya nikto nekogda ne poprabil ob etom! Razreshenie prid?t iz Rossii!
> Do svidaniya,
> Marcel.
Marcel, well done--my hats off to you :)
Incidentally, what's the English-speaking Lowlanders' idea/definition/notion 
of "mastering" a foreign language (I mean, as a gauge of proficiency)? When 
do you say someone's _actually_ mastered a language? Also, (Marcel, Mark, 
Elsie) is "bemeester" the right Afrikaans word for "master" [a language]? 
(Marcel, I'm asking because I am trying to... ahem... master... die Taal 
between trials):).

Ron, I've got a question or two coming--is jy nie deesdae te besig nie om 
vir my te verklaar nie? Ek sal vir jou dan 'n e-pos stuur. Dankie.

Vlad Lee

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Language acquisition

En dagse, Vladimir, мой друг!

I would render "to master" as _perfekt leyren_ <perfekt lehren> or as 
_perfektemang leyren_ <perfektemang lehren> (lit. "to learn perfectly"). 
Otherwise I'd just leave out the "perfect" part, which seems like a wise 
thing to do in the real world.

> Ron, I've got a question or two coming--is jy nie deesdae te besig nie
> om vir my te verklaar nie? Ek sal vir jou dan 'n e-pos stuur. Dankie.

Is dit so privaat of "off-topic" dat jy dit op de lys nie kan vra nie? 
Besig?  Natuurlik.  Maar hoe lang is die antwoord wat jy verwag?  ;-)  Of is 
dit vrae oor die kat wat jou in die huis het gesleep?  Dit was 'natuurlik 'n 
woordlike vertaling van 'n Engels uidrukking en 'n grappie.

Dis baie lekker om weer van jou te hoor, Vlad.  Vra maar indien jy vrae het, 
privaat (sassisch at yahoo.com) of op die lys!

Groete,
Reinhard/Ron 

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