LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.08.20 (02) [E]

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L O W L A N D S - L * 20 August 2006 * Volume 02
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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at scotstext.org>
Subject: LL-L 'Etymology' 2006.08.16 (05] [E]

>From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
>Subject: Rhyming slang
>
>Folks,
>
>The etymology of non-American English "dunny" for 'outdoor toilet' (in Australia
>now 'toilet' in general) is not known, according the _The Oxford English
>Dictionary_, but some link it with "dung" and "ken" (assumedly "dung ken" >
"dunny").
>
Phonetically speaking, this seems to me to be stretching things a bit.
Of course anything can happen but a medial [Nk] -> [n]? I think I'd want
to see other examples of where this happens.

>"Ken"--perhaps not used much these days--means 'house'. Originally, before it
>came to be adopted into the language at large, it served as a vagabond jargon
>word for a house in which beggars, vagrants, thieves and other choice company meet.
>
Is this where the word "kennel" comes from, then? Meaning "doghouse" but
without the idiomatic colouring?

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: R. F. Hahn [sassisch at yahoo.com]
Subject: Etymology

Sandy:

> Phonetically speaking, this seems to me to be stretching things a bit.
> Of course anything can happen but a medial [Nk] -> [n]? I think I'd want
> to see other examples of where this happens.

That makes two of us.

> Is this where the word "kennel" comes from, then? Meaning "doghouse" but
> without the idiomatic colouring?

Nice hunch!  But apparently no cigar.  :-(

"Kennel" comes from Old Norman _kenil_ (= 16th-century French _chenil_) < Latin
_canīle_ (_-īle_ 'place/enclosure for ...', as in _ovīle_ 'sheepfold'), the root
being /kani-/ -> _canis_ 'dog'.

Cf. modern words for "kennel': French _chenile_, Italian _canile_, Portuguese
_canil_.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron

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