LL-L "Phonology" 2006.03.14 (11) [E]

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14 March 2006 * Volume 11
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From: Ingmar Roerdinkholder <ingmar.roerdinkholder at WORLDONLINE.NL>
Subject: LL-L "Language varieties" 2006.03.14 (03) [E]

Hallo Elsie
I guess you mean vowel widening in stead of rounding, and that is 
happening in Western (Randstad) Dutch, especially in Zuid-Holland.
According to Kloeke's 'Herkomst en groei van het Afrikaans', the
European part of this language is originating in the province of
Zuid-Holland, around the city of Dordrecht, near Rotterdam;
Dordt lies at the border of the Merwe(de) river (hence the very 
common Afrikaans last name Van Der Merwe).

In this variety of Dutch, the diphthongs ij and ei, standard [EI], 
are pronounced [aI], [a:I], long oo/o- [o:U] becomes [@U] etc.

Groeten
Ingmar

"First name Last name" wrote:
>I understand the vowel rounding phenomenon is also happening in city 
>Dutch,
>and although I don't have any sources to confirm my theory, I believe that
>Mennonite Plautdietsch in Canada has also assimilated the rounded
>English vowels.
>Elsie Zinsser
>
>>With regard to Elsie's comment about Afrikaans in the city seeming to
>>have more English-like vowels, I have to point to Texas German as yet
>>another example of this happening. Texas German is dying out, but a few
>>researchers at the University of Texas have been busily collecting as
>>many interviews as possible with the remaining speakers, the very
>>youngest of whom are generally in their 60s.
>
>>You can read about the project and listen to the interviews with
>>transcripts at http://www.tgdp.org.

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From: Karl Schulte <kschulte01 at alamosapcs.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.03.13 (05) [E]

All, where I grew up they sound quite different. The O in "Offal" is the
same as the diphthong in "oat", and close to "boat" or French" cote". In
many areas, this distinction is fading as pointed out below.  Don't we
all wish that everyone should speak correctly? Exactly like ourselves,
that is! :-)

Karl Schulte

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