LL-L "Grammar" 2006.03.18 (02) [E]

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   L O W L A N D S - L * 18 March 2006 * Volume 02
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From: Heather Rendall <HeatherRendall at compuserve.com>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.03.17 (03) [E]

Message text written by INTERNET:lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET
>What about aged?<

examples

There was a fashion some years ago for distresed furniture i.e. furniture
that had been  deliberately aged.    ( ajd)  sorry I have no phonetics!

I have one brother aged 10 and another aged 14     ( ajd)

but

'Twas an aged man
On an aged stile
with an aged dog
with a hint of a smile                              a-jed

Is the latter only used poetically nowadays? Or for comic effect?

Heather

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From: Sandy Fleming <sandy at fleimin.demon.co.uk>
Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.03.17 (03) [E]

> From: Pat Reynolds <pat at caerlas.demon.co.uk>
> Subject: LL-L "Phonology" 2006.03.16 (02) [E]
>
> Lowlands-L <lowlands-l at LOWLANDS-L.NET> (i.e. Ron) writes
>>> While in pretty much all Modern Englis are nouns and adjectivesh
>>> dialects the
>>> <e> in past particial <-ed> is not sounded -- including
>>> in "loved" [lVvd] -- it is sounded in most people's
>>> varieties in the word "beloved" [bI"lVvId]
>>> ~  [b@"lVv at d] (though I have heard some people
>>> pronounce it [bI"lVvd]).
>
> What a fun thing to think about!  I notice that well-beloved and much-
> beloved takes the 'loved' rather than 'beloved' pronunciation (at least
> in my head).
>
> What about aged?
>
To me, "beloved" and "aged" are more like verbs, while "belovéd" and
"agéd" are more other parts of speech.

For example, "This whisky has been aged for twelve years," but "I
mentioned it to the agéd parent."

And "She was beloved of the king," but "She was the king's belovéd."

Of course, there's also the point that these are older pronumciations,
which got preserved for longer in poetry for prosodic reasons, and then
naturally became perceived as archaic or poetic, and I wouldn't actually
use the "belovéd" and "agéd" forms in modern English, except for
humorous effect (see agéd parent :)

Sandy Fleming
http://scotstext.org/

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From: R. F. Hahn <sassisch at yahoo.com>
Subject: Grammar

Hi, Sandy and Heather!  Great to "see" you again, Sandy!

> To me, "beloved" and "aged" are more like verbs, while "belovéd" and
> "agéd" are more other parts of speech.

As some of you may haqve gathered, that's how I see it, but I would phrase 
it like this, using "beloved" (* = hypothetical):

Verb: love > *be+love+(e)d (or noun _love_?)
[analogous verbal: be+moan+(e)d, be+draggle+(e)d, be+fuddle+(e)d, 
be+foul+(e)d; analogous nominal: be+troth+(e)d, be+siege+(e)d, 
be+labor+(e)d, be+jewel+(e)d]

-> past participial form (with adjectival function): beloved
   e.g., She was greatly beloved by the king.
   (This is generated by the speaker, i.e., belove+(e)d.)

   > past-particial-derived adjective: belovéd
      e.g., The king missed his belovéd wife.
   > past-particial-derived adjectival noun: (a/the) belovéd
      e.g., This memorial is that of the king's belovéd.
      (These are not generated but are lexicalized forms.)

To me, it looks very much like the adjectival and adjectival noun forms were 
derived from past participial forms in precontemporary English and then came 
to be lexicalized as adjectives while preserving earlier mandatory /- at -/ 
(+ed versus participial +(e)d).  This is why I had proposed that these may 
be viewed as loanwords.

Proof of lexicalization is that there is a relatively small number of words 
with _-éd_ and that you can not make up your own forms following this 
pattern.

Regards,
Reinhard/Ron 

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